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Re: Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer
Reply #30 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.
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Reply #31 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.
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Reply #32 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.
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Reply #33 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:00am
 
rhino wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
Disgraceful behaviour from this government. First they drag us into a war we have no business being in, and then they want to cut pay to soldiers ?....

What exactly is this war going to cost us? Call the soldiers and planes back and use the money you save to pay the defence personnel properly
traitors lke yourslef should be hung


are you upset because your dog would rather root your neighbour than you?
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Reply #34 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.


Since when is a pay rise a pay cut???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #35 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:05am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:00am:
rhino wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
Disgraceful behaviour from this government. First they drag us into a war we have no business being in, and then they want to cut pay to soldiers ?....

What exactly is this war going to cost us? Call the soldiers and planes back and use the money you save to pay the defence personnel properly
traitors lke yourslef should be hung


are you upset because your dog would rather root your neighbour than you?


Another disturbing insight into the depraved mind of John Smith. Please keep your fantasies of bestiality to yourself in future...
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Reply #36 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:05am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.


Since when is a pay rise a pay cut???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


when the rise is less than what it should have been, it is in effect a cut.
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Reply #37 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 11:22am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:05am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.


Since when is a pay rise a pay cut???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


when the rise is less than what it should have been, it is in effect a cut.


When the rise is, in fact, more than what they received previously, it is actually a pay RISE you doofus!!!
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Diggers vent fury at 'outrageous' pay offer

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Australian Defence Force personnel say the government's new pay offer is "an outrage", "a disgrace" and "a joke".   Sad

Thousands of sailors, soldiers and Air Force personnel have reacted with fury to being asked to give up some of their Christmas and recreational leave in order to get the pay rise of just 1.5 per cent a year over the next three years.

By Monday afternoon 7123 soldiers, sailors, Air Force personnel, reservists or their families had contacted the peak defence advocacy group with 90 per cent of them saying they "strongly disapproved" of the government's offer.




Many of the service people spoke of leaving the military as their pay and conditions deteriorated under the offer which will be considered by Defence Force Remuneration Tribunal in Canberra on Wednesday.      Shocked

The military's top brass told their troops that the deal, which is about half the rate of cost-of-living rises, was the best that could be expected in the current climate of public sector spending cuts.

But respondents to the Welfare Association's survey said they were "disgusted" and "outraged" at being asked to take an effective pay cut when they felt they had already made great sacrifices to serve their country.      Sad

Defence Welfare Association national president David Jamison said he and his colleagues had not anticipated the angry reaction to the offer.

"It's strengthened our position to one of total opposition to what is being offered," Mr Jamison said.

"We were expecting that some people wouldn't be happy with it, but now we simply have to say that it's just not acceptable."

Mr Jamison said he and his colleagues would now strongly oppose the case, challenging the three-member remuneration tribunal to prove their independence from government.

"It's going to be interesting to see," he said.

"If they are truly independent then they have to take note of what we're saying, even though it's an agreed position between the Commonwealth and the ADF."

The Defence Welfare Association says the survey of its membership now dwarfs the official consultation carried out by the ADF before it presented the deal to 57,000 men and women in uniform.

"The consultation comprised 62 road shows, they called them, and 3000 attendees, but we're gonna have well over 8000 responses by the close of business tomorrow (Tuesday) and 90 per cent of them are saying they're dissatisfied," Mr Jamison said.

The Chief of the Defence Force Mark Binskin anticipated discontent in the ranks over the offer but said on Friday morning it was "as good an outcome as I can negotiate in the current climate".

WHAT THEY SAID:      Sad

"Defence force families are being victimised."

"The idea that we need to give up entitlements in order to pay for a mediocre pay increase that doesn't even come close to inflation rates is ridiculous.

"It is downright insulting!"

"It's not an offer, it's an abomination."

"It's no longer a service, it's a business at all cost, do more with less, burn people and their families, it's a joke and it's time to move on."

"I will be getting nothing, my family will be getting nothing. Thank you senior management for not bothering to represent the soldiers you are supposed to represent."

"I'm more and more embarrassed to say I am in defence each day. The more they take away from us the faster a lot of members will be leaving."

"What the defence force gives up for the sake of our country we deserve as a minimum the 3 per cent. Even more if we have to sacrifice leave."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/diggers-vent-fury-at-outrageous-pay-offer-20141013-11576m.html#ixzz3G3l7Qhcz
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Reply #39 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:56am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.


Since when is a pay rise a pay cut???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



When it doesn't meet the rise in costs it is intended to balance.....

Grasshopper - you are stuck in the idea that the dollar value is static when it is fluid.... go with the flow....... you'll get the idea some day.
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Reply #40 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 8:19am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 11:22am:
John Smith wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:05am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.


Since when is a pay rise a pay cut???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


when the rise is less than what it should have been, it is in effect a cut.


When the rise is, in fact, more than what they received previously, it is actually a pay RISE you doofus!!!


when you grow a brain, get back to me!
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Reply #41 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 8:45am
 
rhino wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
traitors lke yourslef should be hung


He probably is hung going by his name, but I'm sure he appreciates your concern.

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Reply #42 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 10:02am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 8:19am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 11:22am:
John Smith wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:05am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:34am:
Defence Force Below Inflation Wage Offer

And a few people still say that the present government are not an absolute disgrace.


Trying to live within your means (instead of running up even more debt) while dealing with the appalling state of the budget left behind by your incompetent predecessor is a disgrace? Try again!


I would agree with you had it been true but the fact is the current government are sending troops into war to fight for a pay cut and yes Tony and the Boys are despicable.

They have no problem wasting $1.2 Million to tell lies to pensioners ?


We have the capability to help these innocent people in Iraq, so why shouldn't we help? Go stick your head back in the ground - it's the only thing you're good for.


I am not against helping in Iraq my comment relates to not trying to cheapskate the soldiers risking their lives.

The conservatives like their cannon fodder cheap.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF? Do you honestly think they do what they do for the money? My uncle served for 25 years and loved his job. He now does a similar job where he works for the QLD government and makes three times what he did in the RAAF as an officer. But even if it was about money, as I've said in a previous post, members of the ADF are certainly not hard done-by by any standard what with their generous entitlements and tax-free danger pay and so on. These men and women joined because they want to serve our country, so the least you can do is show some respect when referring to them.


Could you be any more disrespectful to the members of the ADF?


I doubt that you could be more disrespectful than to give them a real money pay cut while they are risking their lives, or supporting those who do it to them.


Since when is a pay rise a pay cut???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


when the rise is less than what it should have been, it is in effect a cut.


When the rise is, in fact, more than what they received previously, it is actually a pay RISE you doofus!!!


when you grow a brain, get back to me!


Your surrender on this subject is noted and accepted.
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Reply #43 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 10:18am
 
Where's Swag to introduce us to the idea of the 'net wage RISE that meets the cost of living'... if it's good enough to discuss 'net taxpayers' as if they are the only ones who pay tax...... surely it's good enough to introduce the idea that only a net pay increase is the one that counts???

Am I right?  I ask you.. AM I RIGHT?
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Reply #44 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 10:53am
 
we have a trannie in charge of the RAAf now. The ADF is in  crisis. They dont need a wage rise, they need an allowance for handbags and make up .
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