Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 10:36am:


I don't see how Jones actions in a public toilet are relevant to the story ?

I also hope that you recognise that Alan was doing the right thing by Julia when he referred to her father dying of shame as she was never meant to have heard the comment having previously been dumped at sea in a chaff bag.
He is obviously a kind sensitive man.

(attn: Cods - sarcasm alert).

George Brandis proudly boasted recently that holocaust denial will remain "unlawful". His government just passed through an egregious attack on our freedom of press (a direct attack on our freedom of speech) - with virtually not a whimper of opposition. There is a very strong push to ban Hizb Tahrir - who are a bunch of douches for sure - but no one should be banned for saying stupid things (short of incitement or vilification, which they are not doing). As Brandis himself said, we have a right to be bigots.

Australia's freedom of speech is constantly being chipped away, and believe it or not its not the muslims doing it - its our lily white mainstream non-muslim government. But curiously you won't see the pickets being raised by our resident freeeedom lovers - sorry, they are busy doing far more important things like building barriers between muslims and non-muslims that don't exist.

John Smith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:


Unless they are from Hizb Tahrir...

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:


Under the new terrorism laws could Alan find himself afoul of them?

The new offence of "advocating terrorism" has been inserted in the Commonwealth Criminal Code with a five-year prison term. You will commit the new offence if you advocate the doing of a terrorist act or commission of a terrorism offence, and you are reckless as to whether anyone will actually do it.

"Advocate" means "counsels, promotes, encourages or urges". The definition of a terrorist act is breathtakingly wide. If you thought advocating terrorism means telling people to commit violence for political or religious ends, well, no. A terrorist act is one that causes death or physical harm or serious property damage, or endangers life, or creates a serious health or public safety risk, or seriously interferes with, disrupts or destroys an electronic system.

In 2007, the Australian Communications and Media Authority found that he had broadcast material that was likely to encourage violence or brutality and to vilify people of Lebanese and Middle-Eastern backgrounds on the basis of ethnicity. He had, among other things, read out a text message saying "every Aussie in the Shire get down to North Cronulla to support the leb and wog bashing day".

Read the definitions carefully and recall just what happened in Cronulla in 2005. If this new law is passed, and Jones does the same again, the question might well arise as to whether he's been advocating terrorism. It's almost worth doing just for the sweet irony.

he was sued for something - forget what, but he lost.

ooh look, FD trying to deflect from his rank hypocrisy regarding mainstream (non-muslims) and the threat they pose to our freeeeedoms.

Same deal as being offensive to islam - if its as part of specific vilification and stirring up intimidation and hate against a particular group - then no.

So sorry FD - this isn't about me, I'm sure you thought you'd catch me out being inconsistent, but I am not. This is about your hypocricy:

FD:

- people feel intimidated about mocking Islam - what an outrage!!
- Australia has a government that boasts holocaust denial is "unlawful" - umm... I'll pretend that didn't happen and ignore it.