Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:



Brian,

You ?

LOL


Respect for honest reasoning and intelligent criticism ?

No you don't, imo.



And, you are an apologist for 'the moslem street',          ... 'the moslem street' being a group of persons that certainly has no respect for honest reasoning and intelligent SELF-criticism.


on display here......


       proudly waving an Australian flag

A crowd of moslems in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;
What is scandalous, is that moslems should hold up an Australian flag, as though to suggest that Australia and Australians would ever support the political aspirations of ISLAMISTS in Egypt - the Muslim Brotherhood political group.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412304156/2#2


and here, the same group......








Children in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;
In Egypt, these two young girls would be screaming a new song, a different song, if they were being held down, naked below the waist, with their legs held apart, and female genital mutilation was being performed upon them.

Google;
egypt female genital mutilation, muslim brotherhood

Google;
egypt female genital mutilation supported by muslim brotherhood

Mutilating bodies: the Muslim Brotherhood's gift to Egyptian women
http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/mariz-tadros/mutilating-bodies-muslim-brotherh...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390857768/43#43




Brian,

Where is the respect for honest reasoning and intelligent SELF-criticism - coming from the moslem community ?

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 8:04am:


When we going to see some from you Yadda?  Not much intelligence nor self-criticism in your posts.   

Adamant wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:


That door has swung both ways

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 10:58pm:


I have seen very little honest reasoning and intelligent criticism [of 'the moslem'], from yourself.




Brian,

You justify your support for the 'moslem street', because the mainstream moslem community make declarations like this;

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

     - The Muslim Council of Britain


And you are an apologist for the 'moslem street'.

And your defence for, and support of, the 'moslem street' means that people like yourself bear much responsibility [imo], for what ISLAM really is [i.e. for the consequence of having moslems live among us], and responsibility for what the 'moslem street' - actually - does.

i.e.
You can't defend the 'moslem street', and then use the disclaimer;

"But i bear no responsibility for the actions and violence of the 'moslem street'."

IMO, publicly defending ISLAM and defending the philosophy which moslems adhere to, is like sheltering a violent criminal from lawful apprehension.





Brian,

Such 'declarations' [of 'ISLAM is peace'] are not the only 'statements' that are being made publicly, by the 'moslem street'.

And it is apparent to everyone, that there is a clash and a conflict of reason, between the many conflicting 'statements' 'of purpose' that are being made by the 'moslem street'.


But Brian,

I never see you adequately address those contradictions 'of purpose' that are being demonstrated EXPOSED by the actions/behaviour of many members of moslem community.








German police in riot gear, accompanied by armored vehicles and water cannons, charge into a street battle between Kurds and radical Islamists in Hamburg, Oct. 8, 2014. (Image source: N24 video screenshot)


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Google



But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."            

Yadda wrote on Oct 16^th, 2014 at 8:35am:


Which Muslim, Y?

You realise by using such language, you sound exactly like a Nazi of the 1930s?  They depersonalised Jews in the same way, spoke of them as "the Jew", Y.   Are you a neo-Nazi?   

As for what I think of Muslims, Y.  I believe there are some good Muslims, some bad Muslims and an awful lot inbetween.  Most Muslims just want to be left alone to get on with their lives.  They aren't interested in cutting peoples' heads off, they also don't deserve to be treated in the way you and the other Islamophobes do.  They are innocent of any crime, other than not worshipping god in the same way you do and you cannot abide that, can you?

So, Y, what would you do once all the Muslims were gone?  Turn on the Buddhists?  The Taoists?  The Shinto?  The Animists?   

Nonsense. Your attempts to draw parallels and invent resemblances with sexual abuse in large organisations including churches is instructive. You show just how far you are prepared to go with dishonesty.


Here's the essential point, don't pretend it has not been made clear to you dozens of times:  Islamic terrorism and ordinary sharia barbarity are justified by Islamic texts, history, theology.
Sex abuse is not defended, justified or otherwise explained away or excused by reference to any religion, and in particular, there is not even a hint of Christianity being used as an excuse.

Let me know if this essential difference still eludes you.

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Freedom of speech issues rarely involve popular people.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 9:09am:


Sure, as I said in part one of this thread, I think the government has no place telling people what version of history is the correct one and which version they are allowed to promote. I can understand people getting particularly wound up over this one, but it is time we grew up. The government can not and should not protect us from ideas.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:


What if someone denies the holocaust then someone else uses that as part of their vilifcation?

Why are you so reluctant to discuss the circumstances under which you think mocking Muhammed should be illegal?

Why do you now imagine that the vast majority of Australians are more in favour of denying people freedom of speech on this issue than you are?

Isn't it inevitable that if someone mocks Muhammed or denies the holocaust, some people are going to feel vilified by it?

You cannot pin down your own qualifications on free speech because like other Muslims, ultimately you want to be able to decide what opinions about Muhammed people are allowed to express. That is why you constantly deflect to issues of law, or dodgy internet surveys, or different issues, or my motivation for asking the questions I ask.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:



There was no Stolen Generation.