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DaS Energy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3962 Gender:	Re: Is our PM legally able to hold office ? Reply #30 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:42pm Neither Abbott nor the LNP confirm or deny Abbott has duel citizenship. Who's hiding what?
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Reply #31 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:44pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

The basic facts are known. There was a time when he held dual citizenship........that occurred before he went to Oxford. What is not known is whether Abbott ever relinquished that Brit citizenship since his return.

It is being covered up.

I don't know the basic facts, maybe you could establish some.

You can start with as you say the basic facts, ie evidence that he has a dual citizenship and evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

If there was no problem the information sought would have been obtained easily, you have to think that when information is refused there is most likely a reason.

So true!

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Reply #32 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

The basic facts are known. There was a time when he held dual citizenship........that occurred before he went to Oxford. What is not known is whether Abbott ever relinquished that Brit citizenship since his return.

It is being covered up.

I don't know the basic facts, maybe you could establish some.

You can start with as you say the basic facts, ie evidence that he has a dual citizenship and evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

If there was no problem the information sought would have been obtained easily, you have to think that when information is refused there is most likely a reason.

So true!

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Reply #33 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

... evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

How many times would you like me to post it?

This is the fourth.

"Any person who ... is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power ... shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s44.html

As many as you like, just proves you are missing a rather fundamental and basic point. No one yet has demonstrated he has dual citizenship, morover, your status as a constitutional lawyer is still to be divined.

As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care?

Ever heard of reserve powers?

I look forward to your pontification on both of those constitutional questions.

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Reply #34 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:48pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

The basic facts are known. There was a time when he held dual citizenship........that occurred before he went to Oxford. What is not known is whether Abbott ever relinquished that Brit citizenship since his return.

It is being covered up.

I don't know the basic facts, maybe you could establish some.

You can start with as you say the basic facts, ie evidence that he has a dual citizenship and evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

If there was no problem the information sought would have been obtained easily, you have to think that when information is refused there is most likely a reason.

Aussie claimed the basic facts are known. I suggest you conspiracists all get into a huddle and sort what story you are going to run with.

Easy. Get busy datalife. Produce the evidence which establishes that Abbott has renounced his British Citizenship....one he acquired by place of birth. (I assume you acknowledge he was born in the UK.....or do you?)

Better still......ask Abbott to produce that evidence.....or when he refuses............do an FOI.............and let us all know how you go. I know you will hit a brick wall.

You work it out from those basic facts.

You got nothing then? No link, no reference? Certainly less than you demand from others.

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139422 Gender:	Re: Is our PM legally able to hold office ? Reply #35 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:51pm Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm: As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care? More deflection. Nice. You're not fooling anyone. When you find evidence that he's renounced his British citizenship, get back to us. Cheers
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Reply #36 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:55pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

... evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

How many times would you like me to post it?

This is the fourth.

"Any person who ... is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power ... shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s44.html

As many as you like, just proves you are missing a rather fundamental and basic point. No one yet has demonstrated he has dual citizenship, morover, your status as a constitutional lawyer is still to be divined.

As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care?

Ever heard of reserve powers?

I look forward to your pontification on both of those constitutional questions.

BULLSHIT!

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Reply #37 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:56pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

... evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

How many times would you like me to post it?

This is the fourth.

"Any person who ... is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power ... shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s44.html

As many as you like, just proves you are missing a rather fundamental and basic point. No one yet has demonstrated he has dual citizenship, morover, your status as a constitutional lawyer is still to be divined.

As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care?

Ever heard of reserve powers?

I look forward to your pontification on both of those constitutional questions.

BULLSHIT!

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Reply #38 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care?

More deflection. Nice.

You're not fooling anyone.

When you find evidence that he's renounced his British citizenship, get back to us.

Cheers Wink

Us, royal we. Very fitting. Again, no one has demonstrated he has such a thing, not my claim to prove or disprove. Second is the claim at such a precludes him being a PM, again, no one has demonstrated such a thing, not my claim to prove or disprove.

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Reply #39 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care?

More deflection. Nice.

You're not fooling anyone.

When you find evidence that he's renounced his British citizenship, get back to us.

Cheers Wink

Oh! God yes, please, please, please.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38853 Gender:	Re: Is our PM legally able to hold office ? Reply #40 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:58pm Datalife. Questions: 1. Do you agree Abbott was born in the UK and emigrated with his parents (one of whom - his Father was a Pom) to Australia? 2. Do you agree that to be awarded a Rhodes Scholarship in Australia, one must be an Australian Citizen? Go.
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Reply #41 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:58pm

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

... evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

How many times would you like me to post it?

This is the fourth.

"Any person who ... is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power ... shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s44.html

As many as you like, just proves you are missing a rather fundamental and basic point. No one yet has demonstrated he has dual citizenship, morover, your status as a constitutional lawyer is still to be divined.

As a constitutional lawyer maybe you would like to comment on the federal ownership of dental care?

Ever heard of reserve powers?

I look forward to your pontification on both of those constitutional questions.

BULLSHIT!

Read the thread and must have missed it. Maybe you can post that proof?

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Reply #42 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 10:01pm

RAussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Datalife. Questions:

1. Do you agree Abbott was born in the UK and emigrated with his parents (one of whom - his Father was a Pom) to Australia?

2. Do you agree that to be awarded a Rhodes Scholarship in Australia, one must be an Australian Citizen?

Go.

A I agree,

B. No idea. Another thing you can find along with proof that he has dual citizenship as well as proof that possession of dual citizenship precludes you from pm.

Not me making any claims or assumptions.

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Reply #43 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

The basic facts are known. There was a time when he held dual citizenship........that occurred before he went to Oxford. What is not known is whether Abbott ever relinquished that Brit citizenship since his return.

It is being covered up.

I don't know the basic facts, maybe you could establish some.

You can start with as you say the basic facts, ie evidence that he has a dual citizenship and evidence that dual citizenship precludes someone from being PM.

If there was no problem the information sought would have been obtained easily, you have to think that when information is refused there is most likely a reason.

Aussie claimed the basic facts are known. I suggest you conspiracists all get into a huddle and sort what story you are going to run with.

I commented on the information in the lead article - nothing to do with anyone else's opinion.

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Reply #44 - Oct 11^th, 2014 at 10:06pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

RAussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Datalife. Questions:

1. Do you agree Abbott was born in the UK and emigrated with his parents (one of whom - his Father was a Pom) to Australia?

2. Do you agree that to be awarded a Rhodes Scholarship in Australia, one must be an Australian Citizen?

Go.

A I agree,

B. No idea. Another thing you can find along with proof that he has dual citizenship as well as proof that possession of dual citizenship precludes you from pm.

Not me making any claims or assumptions.

Get back to me when you have found out for yourself. You won't believe anyone else.

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