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Reply #15 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 5:35pm
 
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One in seven Australians living in poverty, according to new report

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Poverty is increasing in Australia, with one in seven Australians living below the poverty line, according to a new report.

The Poverty in Australia report, to be released on Sunday by the Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS), also shows one in six Australian children are living in poverty.      Sad

The percentage of Australians and of Australian children living in poverty rose from 2010 to 2012.

The poverty line – defined as 50 per cent of median income – was $400 a week for a single adult and $841 for a couple with two children in 2012.


The report shows 13.9 per cent of Victorians live in poverty with those in non-metropolitan areas most likely to be below the poverty line.

In Melbourne 13.7 per cent of residents were in poverty compared to 15 per cent in Sydney, 13.9 per cent in Brisbane, 13.8 per cent in Hobart, 12.4 per cent in Perth and 11.5 per cent in Adelaide.

Single mother-of-three Vicky Vacondios, who receives Newstart payments and lives in public housing in Reservoir, said most of her income is spent on food, petrol and clothing for her children.

"People are very quick to judge," she said. "I didn't choose to be a single parent."

Ms Vacondios, a former gaming attendant, is trying to start her own business offering mentoring for women trying to escape homelessness and domestic violence.

"There is a lot of stress," she said. "People living in hardship can find it hard to go in to work or get out of bed. There are so many reports about jobs being lost, payments being cut."

The ACOSS report showed Tasmania had the highest poverty rate of any state at 15.1 per cent.

"These findings paint a disturbing picture that we as a community need to confront if we are to reverse the spreading disparity we are seeing on the ground in the daily lives of people across the country," ACOSS chief executive Cassandra Goldie said.

"It will take leadership from our elected representatives and governments who must ensure that addressing poverty is central to public policy making."

The research deducts housing costs such as rent and mortgage payments before calculating median income. This allows a comparison between households' ability to meet basic living costs other than housing.

The ACOSS report, based on analysis of Bureau of Statistics data on income and expenditure for 2011-12, comes days after the release of new figures showing families in outer-suburban, low-income seats were hardest hit by the Abbott government's May budget.      Sad

Research by the University of Canberra's National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling found 15 of the 16 hardest hit electorates are Labor-held seats in Sydney and Melbourne.

Households in Calwell, on Melbourne's north-west fringe, will be $783 a year worse off compared to $249 in Kooyong.

St Vincent de Paul chief executive John Falzon said: "This report, rather than making us feel demoralised, should make us feel determined.

"Especially in the light of the lacerating measures proposed in the 2014 federal budget, this report is an important weapon in our fight for justice."

Thirty per cent of Australians who receive social security payments live below the poverty line, including 55 per cent of those on unemployment benefits. Fifteen per cent of aged pensioners live in poverty.      Sad

Women are slightly more likely to live in poverty than men while single parents, people with disabilities and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are significantly more likely to live in poverty.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-in-seven-australians-living-in-poverty-according-to-new-report-20141011-114o1b.html#ixzz3FrhNWAPx


the clue is in the highlighted.  when poverty is defined in RELATIVE terms then it is impossible to get rid of it or even reduce it.  We could triple the incomes of everyone in Australia and there would still bet he same number of people below this artificial 'poverty line'.

When poverty means that you can only have one care and your kids have to have second-hand iphones, ipads, computers and video games, the term has lost its meaning.
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Reply #16 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 5:35pm:
the clue is in the highlighted.  when poverty is defined in RELATIVE terms then it is impossible to get rid of it or even reduce it.  We could triple the incomes of everyone in Australia and there would still bet he same number of people below this artificial 'poverty line'.

When poverty means that you can only have one care and your kids have to have second-hand iphones, ipads, computers and video games, the term has lost its meaning.


Grin

You've nailed it.

Just put these so-called 'Can't find a job liars' in a padded Interview Room with me and a friendly baseball bat and I'll have them confessing to bullshitting the employment agencies in no time.

I don't blame them for wanting to stay at their parent's place on the dole and playing with their computers ~ but don't lie about it.

The merit of the Work for the Dole scheme lies in one fact and one fact alone: It forces these work-shy homebodies to get away from their computers and their bongs all day long, all week long.

And what this means is that they soon realise that if they are being forced to leave home everyday, then they may as well get a real job that pays real money.

I have a kid living opposite me with his 'Single Mother'. Really nice young fellow. Polite and well behaved ... but as long as he can live the life of Riley at home with his computer and his mother doing his laundry for him ~ he's simply not motivated to enter the workforce.


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Reply #17 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
The merit of the Work for the Dole scheme lies in one fact and one fact alone: It forces these work-shy homebodies to get away from their computers and their bongs all day long, all week long.


Except it doesn't improve job prospects, takes time away from job seeking, provides no real life skills useful to employment and costs taxpayers money.

Apart from that its great!
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Reply #18 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Just put these so-called 'Can't find a job liars' in a padded Interview Room with me and a friendly baseball bat and I'll have them confessing to bullshitting the employment agencies in no time.




Herby advocating violence now.

It'll be interesting to see how low he can actually go.

I blame all that talk-back radio.

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Reply #19 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:26pm
 
Stratos wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
The merit of the Work for the Dole scheme lies in one fact and one fact alone: It forces these work-shy homebodies to get away from their computers and their bongs all day long, all week long.


Except it doesn't improve job prospects, takes time away from job seeking, provides no real life skills useful to employment and costs taxpayers money.

Apart from that its great!


It improves motivation to accept the jobs being offered you by Centrelink and the Job Agencies. If you're forced to be away from the comforts and entertainments at home, then you may just as well go whole-hog and get a proper job.

Starting next 1/7/15 we're going to see a whole new shift in the unemployment statistics. They'll be sacking more Centrelink staff because of lack of 'clients' needing their services.

And needless to say, Sydney's southwest Muslim ghetto will probably be in lock-down and needing the Riot Squads on the streets to control irate crowds of Mohammedans protesting about Work for the Dole being 'racist' and 'Islamophobic'.

Just watch this space.

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Reply #20 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
Herby advocating violence now.

It'll be interesting to see how low he can actually go.

I blame all that talk-back radio.



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If I ever need a butler or a chauffeur I'll give you a call. You dog my every step on this forum bored.

It's like dragging around a dead cat.  Tongue
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Reply #21 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:33pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
How's the cat, Stratos? Well, I hope?


Very good.  No longer technically a kitten Smiley

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
If you're forced to be away from the comforts and entertainments at home, then you may just as well go whole-hog and get a proper job.


You know, I have yet to speak to anyone ever who thinks newstart is better than having a  real job.  Not a single person.  Try to do a budget for $257 a week.

Ok, go.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Reply #22 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:35pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
Herby advocating violence now.

It'll be interesting to see how low he can actually go.

I blame all that talk-back radio.



Grin

If I ever need a butler or a chauffeur I'll give you a call. You dog my every step on this forum bored.

It's like dragging around a dead cat.  Tongue



I noticed that you didn't address the violence, which you seem to love so much.

I'm onto you, Herby.

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Reply #23 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:35pm:
I noticed that you didn't address the violence, which you seem to love so much.

I'm onto you, Herby.



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Reply #24 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 9:15pm
 
Bam wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 2:42pm:
There are unemployed people out there, right now, that make 100 or more job applications every month. Yet they get nowhere. Why? Employers won't give them a go because the well of jobs has been poisoned. Clueless rightwing filth repeat parroted hate speech, incite hatred, spread misinformation and tell lies just because their views are based on dated misconceptions about the labour market that have not been current for 40 years.

The only reason why rightwingers can still get away with it is because it's not yet illegal to spread hate speech against the unemployed - who as a cohort do not enjoy the same protection of the law as homosexuals, foreigners, women, religious people of various faiths and other groups covered by various anti-discrimination legislation.

It is time this was changed.


Well said, Bam, and I couldn't agree more.
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Reply #25 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 9:30pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 5:35pm:
the clue is in the highlighted.  when poverty is defined in RELATIVE terms then it is impossible to get rid of it or even reduce it.  We could triple the incomes of everyone in Australia and there would still bet he same number of people below this artificial 'poverty line'.

When poverty means that you can only have one care and your kids have to have second-hand iphones, ipads, computers and video games, the term has lost its meaning.


Grin

You've nailed it.

Just put these so-called 'Can't find a job liars' in a padded Interview Room with me and a friendly baseball bat and I'll have them confessing to bullshitting the employment agencies in no time.

I don't blame them for wanting to stay at their parent's place on the dole and playing with their computers ~ but don't lie about it.

The merit of the Work for the Dole scheme lies in one fact and one fact alone: It forces these work-shy homebodies to get away from their computers and their bongs all day long, all week long.

And what this means is that they soon realise that if they are being forced to leave home everyday, then they may as well get a real job that pays real money.

I have a kid living opposite me with his 'Single Mother'. Really nice young fellow. Polite and well behaved ... but as long as he can live the life of Riley at home with his computer and his mother doing his laundry for him ~ he's simply not motivated to enter the workforce.





Geez, you post some utter poppycock at times, Herb.

This is one of them...  Sad

The number of available jobs has dropped, the number of those looking has risen.

What WILL it take till this 'work-shy bludger' bullsh1t is finally laid to rest as it plainly should?

Bam is correct, the unemployed should have the same legal protection from that sort of vilification as any other group.
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Reply #26 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:18pm
 
Kat wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 9:30pm:
The number of available jobs has dropped, the number of those looking has risen.

What WILL it take till this 'work-shy bludger' bullsh1t is finally laid to rest as it plainly should?

When statistics are gathered and publicised that show how many of the "advertised" vacancies are actually filled by an unemployed person rather than a job swapper. The number is nowhere near as great as the number of vacancies.
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Reply #27 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:32pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
It improves motivation to accept the jobs being offered you by Centrelink and the Job Agencies.

This is where you show your complete ignorance on the topic under discussion.

Centrelink don't offer jobs. That's not their role!
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Reply #28 - Oct 12th, 2014 at 10:51pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12th, 2014 at 5:35pm:
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The poverty line – defined as 50 per cent of median income – was $400 a week for a single adult and $841 for a couple with two children in 2012.


the clue is in the highlighted.  when poverty is defined in RELATIVE terms then it is impossible to get rid of it or even reduce it.  We could triple the incomes of everyone in Australia and there would still bet he same number of people below this artificial 'poverty line'.

When poverty means that you can only have one care and your kids have to have second-hand iphones, ipads, computers and video games, the term has lost its meaning.

You raise an interesting point here that merits further discussion.

I'm broadly in agreement that assessing the poverty line as a fixed percentage of median incomes is inaccurate.

I think a fairer measure of the poverty line would be to create a basket of various basic goods, services and utilities that everyone needs, compute a weekly cost, add it up and make that the poverty line. It would include food, water, clothing, rent, electricity, gas, communications, transport, healthcare, toiletries and other basic necessities. It would be similar to the CPI but be weighted more towards the basics, exclude luxuries and be more flexible as needs change.

I suspect though that if one were to do that, the figure would be not too far removed from $400 per week anyway.

The CPI is inaccurate for low-income earners because it includes all manner of things that low income earners cannot afford that tend to come down in price over time - eg: electronics - while underweighting basic expenses that are increasing more rapidly, such as housing and healthcare. This is why the purchasing power of the dole has declined over time.
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Reply #29 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 12:47am
 
So according to the report.. i'm living in poverty..yet i have an xbox, over 60 steam game, furniture lest than 3 years old, a 60inch TV, mobile phone, internet and plenty of food with enough to pay my bills

and when i was living with a roommate again according to the report we were living in poverty and again we were living a standard less than 60% of the worlds population will ever achieve

(The ACOSS report showed Tasmania had the highest poverty rate of any state at 15.1 per cent, after 16 years of Labor and the greens you would expect such results)

haha if this is poverty then we don't have to worry about poverty.

I think people need to stop being so selfish, be grateful for what you have, just because your not making thousands a year doesnt mean your in poverty, maybe instead of buying that playstation or those cans of beer, you should pay your bills.

No Australia doesnt have a problem with poverty, we do have needed and those who actully live in poverty and do need help but 90% of Australia dont actually live in poverty, if your a single adult for example earning $400 a week.. then bugger off, i'm earning less that that and yet i'm living like a king, stop expecting to live like a king, and start being realistic with what you can afford and what you cant.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-in-seven-australians-living-in-poverty-according-to-new-report-20141011-114o1b.html


FYI: Ive already made a thread about this report so ill just repost my OP post here.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1413104481
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