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Oct 12^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

After the heady days of 2007 (some would say frothy days), when climate change was the Greatest Moral Challenge, where is this heading now?

The young and the forever young will still be marching in the streets from time to time, but mainly because they enjoy banging drums and shaking things, while the majority it seems to me are not interested that much any more.

The carbon tax is gone and Shorten has committed Labor to not bringing it back. But can anybody commit Labor to anything?
The RET may or may not be altered. The Warburton report wants to change it but the govt may decide to sidestep that and tinker at the edges a bit.

We started off with Kevin Rudd having a frenetic episode over it all - wonderful wonderful Copenhagen etc, which gradually withered away under Gillard to a situation of "don't mention climate change".

How do people feel about all that and where do you think it's going?

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #1 - Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #2 - Oct 12^th, 2014 at 3:25pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

After the heady days of 2007 (some would say frothy days), when climate change was the Greatest Moral Challenge, where is this heading now?

The young and the forever young will still be marching in the streets from time to time, but mainly because they enjoy banging drums and shaking things, while the majority it seems to me are not interested that much any more.

The carbon tax is gone and Shorten has committed Labor to not bringing it back. But can anybody commit Labor to anything?

The RET may or may not be altered. The Warburton report wants to change it but the govt may decide to sidestep that and tinker at the edges a bit.

We started off with Kevin Rudd having a frenetic episode over it all - wonderful wonderful Copenhagen etc, which gradually withered away under Gillard to a situation of "don't mention climate change".

How do people feel about all that and where do you think it's going?

China dammed three valleys to gain Hydro power, it also now produces the CO2 turbine (Australian development handed over at Copenhagen).

The LNP have banned Hydro from being clean green energy!

The LNP have banned the CO2 turbine.

The LNP wants schools to dumb down Australian children so Coal again has a cheap work force !

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #3 - Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #4 - Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

It is greenhouse gases that cause global warming....Do you deny CO2 is a greenhouse gas Longy???

Huh

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #5 - Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:39pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

After the heady days of 2007 (some would say frothy days), when climate change was the Greatest Moral Challenge, where is this heading now?

The young and the forever young will still be marching in the streets from time to time, but mainly because they enjoy banging drums and shaking things, while the majority it seems to me are not interested that much any more.

The carbon tax is gone and Shorten has committed Labor to not bringing it back. But can anybody commit Labor to anything?
The RET may or may not be altered. The Warburton report wants to change it but the govt may decide to sidestep that and tinker at the edges a bit.

We started off with Kevin Rudd having a frenetic episode over it all - wonderful wonderful Copenhagen etc, which gradually withered away under Gillard to a situation of "don't mention climate change".

How do people feel about all that and where do you think it's going?

Yet the Abbott Government will spend billions of dollars on Direct Action.....Go figure???

Huh

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #6 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 6:26am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

It is greenhouse gases that cause global warming....Do you deny CO2 is a greenhouse gas Longy???

Huh

Co2 by itself does stuff all. Its everything that the failed models predict it does as a secondary (causing more water vapour ect), that is of debate.

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #7 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 6:38am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

It is greenhouse gases that cause global warming....Do you deny CO2 is a greenhouse gas Longy???

Huh

Yes, and this is why CFC's were phased out of things like refrigerators and air conditioning units. Don't need a tax to make a difference!

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #8 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 6:39am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

It is greenhouse gases that cause global warming....Do you deny CO2 is a greenhouse gas Longy???

Huh

Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a naturally occurring gas, without which life on Earth would not be possible.

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 7:14am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

This pollution is mainly caused by the burning of fossil fuels. You don't need to take sides in the climate change debate to acknowledge that the burning of fossil fuels can cause other problems.

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #10 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 7:15am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 6:39am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Australia will catch up with the rest of the world soon. Climate change isn't just what is happening in Australia. The rest of the world is taking action as well, and they are doing a lot more than Australia.

For example, China's actions are necessitated by their need to reduce air pollution. Pollution in Beijing can be particularly bad, and much of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qvlGc-A0-1g/UPbXbkCuTSI/AAAAAAAAIMY/J_iAW-z7CjU/s1600...

It's not a problem that will go away just because the debate has been suppressed in Australia for political reasons.

what has pollution got to do with climate change? London was like this 60 years ago. THEY FIXED IT UP. China is decades behind the rest of the world and going thru now what the rest of went thru during the 70s when pollution as the big agenda.

It is greenhouse gases that cause global warming....Do you deny CO2 is a greenhouse gas Longy???

Huh

Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a naturally occurring gas, without which life on Earth would not be possible.

So is food a requirement for all humans, but you don't want to spend a lifetime eating too much of it.

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Re: Climate change action
Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 7:22am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 6:39am:

Carbon dioxide (Co2) is a naturally occurring gas, without which life on Earth would not be possible.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

Co2 by itself does stuff all. Its everything that the failed models predict it does as a secondary (causing more water vapour ect), that is of debate.

If you're going to try to sound authoritative, at least try to spell the name of the compound correctly. It is case sensitive and "Co" is COBALT. (A subscript on the "2" would also be good.)

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Climate change action Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 7:40am Our comrades in China are forcing the Abbott mob to act on AGW with their tax on Australian coal. China knows the glaciers that feed theirs and India's main rivers are shrinking. Because everything is connected, the cons will be forced to act properly.
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Re: Climate change action
Reply #13 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 8:07am

____ wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 7:40am:

Our comrades in China are forcing the Abbott mob to act on AGW with their tax on Australian coal.
China knows the glaciers that feed theirs and India's main rivers are shrinking. Because everything is connected, the cons will be forced to act properly.

I knew you were a closet Communist!!!

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Reply #14 - Oct 13^th, 2014 at 8:15am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

____ wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 7:40am:

Our comrades in China are forcing the Abbott mob to act on AGW with their tax on Australian coal.
China knows the glaciers that feed theirs and India's main rivers are shrinking. Because everything is connected, the cons will be forced to act properly.

I knew you were a closet Communist!!!

Give the boy a lump of coal.

As the cons are trying to attack the alp via attacking unions, their Achilles heel is revenue from coal. Without coal funding, how will the cons afford advertising at elections.

Poor.old cons have dug themselves into a hole.

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