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Reply #15 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 7:37pm
 
The parrot talked about putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her out to sea.  Call in the ADF!
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Reply #16 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
John S wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:34am:
I hope Tony Abbott will forgive me if I’m a little sceptical of his “preachers of hate” red card system legislation he wants to push through the parliament.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m a bit cautious when the first time he really seeks to go into the plan is on the Alan Jones programme. Jones we may remember is the man who has repeatedly faced court over claims he incited the Cronulla race riots with his own on air hate speech and who had the class to use Julia Gillard’s recently deceased father to launch a vicious attack on her.

I’m also sceptical when the government pushing this “preachers of hate” legislation is the same government that only recently backed down on its election promise on changing the Racial Discrimination Act to allow people to preach hate based on race.

Amongst those preachers of hate Abbott sought to give a green light to rather than a red card were Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt. How handy then to be discussing preachers of hate on the Alan Jones programme, after all I guess he’s an expert.

In Australia the last time I remember there being this much fuss over “preachers of hate” speaking in Australia was when Geert Wilders came to our country despite calls to have his visa application denied. Wilders has many charismatic followers, amongst them are Anders Behring Breivik who massacred 77 people in Norway in 2011, Andrew Bolt, and of course Cory Bernardi.

When this particular “preacher of hate” came to Australia it was Tony Abbott’s former Parliamentary Secretary Cory Bernardi that gave him not the red card, but the red carpet treatment, acting as his guide.


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Geert Wilders – Europe’s pin-up boy for racial hatred


Still, “preachers of hate” of hate is a pretty loose term, ones view of it would depend on your views on preachers and on hate.

In the US there is Federal legislation to protect its citizens from hate crime. A hate crime is deemed a crime against someone who is based in the victims race, religion. ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.

Tony Abbott seems to view hate a little differently, saying on radio;

“Under the law that we are bringing through the Parliament hopefully before the end of the year, it will be an offence to promote terrorism – not just to engage in terrorism – but to promote terrorism.”


Whilst I agree with this, I don’t think it goes anywhere close to far enough. In fact it would seem to the casual observer that Abbott believes  a “preacher of hate” is someone who promotes terrorism, not someone who is on a soapbox making speeches designed to promote hatred, discrimination, and ignorance.

I would suggest that this is a very narrow view indeed.

Preacher of hate Alan Jones used the Abbott interview to preach some hatred about an Islamic organisation in Australia he would like to see banned.

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Preacher of hate... who me?


The group is called  Hizb ut-Tahrir and they are banned in some parts of the world. I don’t claim to know enough about this group to give my views on them being “preachers of hate” so I won’t, but banning them would seem futile to me.

Banning hasn’t exactly worked a treat for bikie gangs, why would this be any different? In fact it seems to only make them harder to monitor.

Banning an organisation won’t suddenly change its members beliefs, I’d argue that it may even antagonise the membership.

It is rather ironic that the same people who were arguing for greater freedom of speech when it came to changing the Racial Discrimination Act are the same people wanting less freedom of speech for those whose views they disagree with.

I am in 100% agreement however that freedom of speech should not be a get out of jail free card for those who incite violence, whether that be done directly or indirectly. However this needs to be a two-way street.


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The handiwork of Alan Jones?



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I've read a few of Geert Wilders speeches from Holland, and I'm yet to read where he incites hatred.
Same thing with Alan Jones.
Not everyone is prepared to keep their head in the sand.
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Reply #17 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 8:27pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 11:27am:
Swagman wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 10:09am:
John S wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:36am:
We need only look at the budget to see what a disaster that turns out being.


Yes being blocked by an unrepresentative Senate.

John S wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:36am:
This should be something that is overseen by a completely independent panel and has representatives from all cultures, religions and minority groups taking part.


Sounds like a commie politburo.


Unrepresentative? Our senate is a laughing stock because we've got imbeciles holding a seat with less than one percent of the vote!!! I guarantee you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the electorate if the idiot from the motoring party's electorate who voted for him if you spent a month there!


As has long been the case.....

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Reply #18 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 8:39pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
Bam wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 9:39am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 11:27am:
Unrepresentative? Our senate is a laughing stock because we've got imbeciles holding a seat with less than one percent of the vote!!! I guarantee you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the electorate if the idiot from the motoring party's electorate who voted for him if you spent a month there!

The same rules that elected Muir on preferences also allowed the election of Labor, Liberal, LNP and National senators on preferences. Most of the Senators elected with less than 1% of the primary vote were from these major parties.

This is what happens when 95% of the voters vote [1] above the line.

The only real difference is that Muir's whole party got a small proportion of the vote.


you know as well as I do that when voting by group, the first candidate gets say 3 quotas and they are pass to the other two.  In Muirs case he got .5% of the vote.  It was a travesty of the democratic system and look whi it elected?  A person so dumb that no body even bothers to interview him anymore. He doesn't make enough sense to warrant being talked to.


While Muir's primary vote may have been a record low a similar situation occurred at the 2004 federal election when Family First’s Steve Fielding (Vic.) was elected to the Senate with 1.9% of the primary vote and in 2010 when DLP Senator John Madigan (Vic.) was elected with 2.33%.

Did you whinge about their low primary vote, or were they OK because they both supported the LNP??

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