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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #30 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:43am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 12:10am:

Vic wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Indeed:

"According to the U.S. government, the Vincennes mistakenly identified the
Iranian airliner as an attacking military fighter. ... similar to that of an F-14A
Tomcat during an attack run; "

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All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew

, died.[1] This event ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, 10th if including the 9/11 attacks, which include ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf. The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

And the "nice people' have never apologised for it.

The US warship was actually operating in international waters.

Overall and for most of the time, but operational awareness had degraded to the point where it had wandered in and out of Iranian national waters, as shown on its navigational plot computer. According to the ACI story, it was inside Iranian waters at the time of the shootdown.

Regardless of its position vis a vis international boundaries, the point is clear - mistakes occur when civilian aircraft fly over contested areas, and it is hypocritical of the US to make a song and dance about MH-70 after the Vincennes shootdown.

Far better to just stick with the single MH-70 incident. That is murky enough, and I find the unwillingness of participants in this crazy Slavic war reprehensible in not permitting a full and open investigation.

Point is - Putin is what he is - but he is a head of state, and puerile media bites hinting at confrontation without clear evidence are just that - puerile media bites.

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #31 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:16am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 3:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Lambie also said she thinks Putin wants peace. Blowing airliners out of the sky and invading democratic countries is a funny way of going about achieving that goal!

Evidence please.

Irrefutable evidence straight from the horse's mouth...

Earlier, Jacqui Lambie criticised Mr Abbott’s tough talk towards Mr Putin, saying the Prime Minister is full of “testosterone and bad manners”.

The PUP member praised President Putin for what she described as his “good values”.

“In the last 24 hours he has withdrawn 17,000 troops off the Ukrainian border there and I am grateful for that and I think that is leading by example,” she said.

“He is obviously listening to the people of Russia and that is why he has withdrawn those troops.

“I think he is trying to find world peace where he possibly can and doing the best job he can do with that.”

When asked whether she admired his communist values, Senator Lambie said she admires “his leadership” and his handling of the situation between Russia and Ukraine.

http://www.news.com.au/national/jacqui-lambie-wants-tony-abbott-and-bill-shorten...

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #32 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:19am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:43am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 12:10am:

Vic wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Indeed:

"According to the U.S. government, the Vincennes mistakenly identified the
Iranian airliner as an attacking military fighter. ... similar to that of an F-14A
Tomcat during an attack run; "

"

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew

, died.[1] This event ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, 10th if including the 9/11 attacks, which include ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf. The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

And the "nice people' have never apologised for it.

The US warship was actually operating in international waters.

Overall and for most of the time, but operational awareness had degraded to the point where it had wandered in and out of Iranian national waters, as shown on its navigational plot computer. According to the ACI story, it was inside Iranian waters at the time of the shootdown.

Regardless of its position vis a vis international boundaries, the point is clear - mistakes occur when civilian aircraft fly over contested areas, and it is hypocritical of the US to make a song and dance about MH-70 after the Vincennes shootdown.

Far better to just stick with the single MH-70 incident. That is murky enough, and I find the unwillingness of participants in this crazy Slavic war reprehensible in not permitting a full and open investigation.

Point is - Putin is what he is - but he is a head of state, and puerile media bites hinting at confrontation without clear evidence are just that - puerile media bites.

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Denied and pointed the blame at the country they're trying to invade - Ukraine.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #33 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 8:05am

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Jacqueline is a very complex woman. I think she needs about 100 sessions on the couch with a good Freudian psychoanalyst

You wont get her on a couch unless you have a big donger!

Sort of rules most of us out!

Grin

I wonder if she's ever had a look in the mirror. Fair dinkum......you'd have to be off yer face to even consider it.

When you had members of the political "blue zone"

- a few years back - claiming

Pauline Hanson

was "doable" ...

I guess ANYTHING'S "doable"* !

* to be "doable", a rightist pollie should be pretty, with some feminine airs - and petite
... not unlike Wyatt Roy

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #34 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 8:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

The Australian cringe still alive and well!

Putin is a wannabe latter-day Czar... not a democrat.

Putin is what he has always been ~ a KGB agent with friends in the Russian Mafia.

Vladimar Putin has an enormous support from Russians.
His historical support is worlds best, he has done VERY well for Russia.

People here underestimate him badly.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #35 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

The Australian cringe still alive and well!

Putin is a wannabe latter-day Czar... not a democrat.

Putin is what he has always been ~ a KGB agent with friends in the Russian Mafia.

Vladimar Putin has an enormous support from Russians.
His historical support is worlds best, he has done VERY well for Russia.

People here underestimate him badly.

Because he murders his opposition.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #36 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 11:30am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

The Australian cringe still alive and well!

Putin is a wannabe latter-day Czar... not a democrat.

Putin is what he has always been ~ a KGB agent with friends in the Russian Mafia.

all evidence shows he actually runs the russian mafia.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #37 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Thing is the inquiry didn't really point the finger - but I noted that Captain Will Rogers retired quietly soon after... the skill in controlling a variety of inputs coming at you under stress and making valid decisions is the sign of a good commander....

It is sad that Captain Rogers was placed in a situation through several simple problems, such as the lock-on of IFF to an F-14 on the ground and the system not automatically following the 'target' thereafter so as to ascertain that it was in fact an Airbus - and this caused him to have doubt at the crucial time, and thus take counsel of his fears over his ship being attacked. Had he held off and his ship been hit, he would have been crucified.

Fighter air cover available would have helped as well... visual ID....

The military is pretty unforgiving of errors.....while often trying to run war on the cheap.....

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #38 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Thing is the inquiry didn't really point the finger - but I noted that Captain Will Rogers retired quietly soon after... the skill in controlling a variety of inputs coming at you under stress and making valid decisions is the sign of a good commander....

It is sad that Captain Rogers was placed in a situation through several simple problems, such as the lock-on of IFF to an F-14 on the ground and the system not automatically following the 'target' thereafter so as to ascertain that it was in fact an Airbus - and this caused him to have doubt at the crucial time, and thus take counsel of his fears over his ship being attacked. Had he held off and his ship been hit, he would have been crucified.

Fighter air cover available would have helped as well... visual ID....

The military is pretty unforgiving of errors.....while often trying to run war on the cheap.....

The Yanks shot down a civilian aircraft. The Russians have not, and not waste time with an inquiry into something they did not do.

LNP next trick is to blame it on Russian Muslims!

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #39 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:30pm

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Thing is the inquiry didn't really point the finger - but I noted that Captain Will Rogers retired quietly soon after... the skill in controlling a variety of inputs coming at you under stress and making valid decisions is the sign of a good commander....

It is sad that Captain Rogers was placed in a situation through several simple problems, such as the lock-on of IFF to an F-14 on the ground and the system not automatically following the 'target' thereafter so as to ascertain that it was in fact an Airbus - and this caused him to have doubt at the crucial time, and thus take counsel of his fears over his ship being attacked. Had he held off and his ship been hit, he would have been crucified.

Fighter air cover available would have helped as well... visual ID....

The military is pretty unforgiving of errors.....while often trying to run war on the cheap.....

The Yanks shot down a civilian aircraft. The Russians have not, and not waste time with an inquiry into something they did not do.

LNP next trick is to blame it on Russian Muslims!

Well then who did it?

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #40 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Thing is the inquiry didn't really point the finger - but I noted that Captain Will Rogers retired quietly soon after... the skill in controlling a variety of inputs coming at you under stress and making valid decisions is the sign of a good commander....

It is sad that Captain Rogers was placed in a situation through several simple problems, such as the lock-on of IFF to an F-14 on the ground and the system not automatically following the 'target' thereafter so as to ascertain that it was in fact an Airbus - and this caused him to have doubt at the crucial time, and thus take counsel of his fears over his ship being attacked. Had he held off and his ship been hit, he would have been crucified.

Fighter air cover available would have helped as well... visual ID....

The military is pretty unforgiving of errors.....while often trying to run war on the cheap.....

The Yanks shot down a civilian aircraft. The Russians have not, and not waste time with an inquiry into something they did not do.

LNP next trick is to blame it on Russian Muslims!

Well then who did it?

Ask Anthony John Abbott, he keep bragging he know all about it!

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #41 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Thing is the inquiry didn't really point the finger - but I noted that Captain Will Rogers retired quietly soon after... the skill in controlling a variety of inputs coming at you under stress and making valid decisions is the sign of a good commander....

It is sad that Captain Rogers was placed in a situation through several simple problems, such as the lock-on of IFF to an F-14 on the ground and the system not automatically following the 'target' thereafter so as to ascertain that it was in fact an Airbus - and this caused him to have doubt at the crucial time, and thus take counsel of his fears over his ship being attacked. Had he held off and his ship been hit, he would have been crucified.

Fighter air cover available would have helped as well... visual ID....

The military is pretty unforgiving of errors.....while often trying to run war on the cheap.....

The Yanks shot down a civilian aircraft. The Russians have not, and not waste time with an inquiry into something they did not do.

LNP next trick is to blame it on Russian Muslims!

Well then who did it?

Ask Anthony John Abbott, he keep bragging he know all about it!

Abbott thinks it's Putin's fault.

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Reply #42 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

LNP next trick is to blame it on Russian Muslims! [/quote]

Well then who did it?
[/quote]

Ask Anthony John Abbott, he keep bragging he know all about it! [/quote]

Abbott thinks it's Putin's fault.
[/quote]

Somebody has cut citizen abbotts phone line to his mother Britain!

Example of Abbott sheer crass stupidity, namely the statement that "Russia needs to fully cooperate in the investigation into the MH17 atrocity".

The answer to that bullshit is that the atrocity happened on Ukrainian soil and it is not yet clear whether the aircraft was downed by a missile possibly fired from a position behind rebel lines, possibly not, possibly fired by rebels, possibly fired by Ukrainian Government or paramilitary forces or else downed by a military aircraft flown by the Ukrainian Air Force. In fact, why has it taken the UK so long to come clean about what happened? Does it take that long to doctor the black box.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie hits the nail on the head
Reply #43 - Oct 15^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 7:00am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:43am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 12:10am:

Vic wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Indeed:

"According to the U.S. government, the Vincennes mistakenly identified the
Iranian airliner as an attacking military fighter. ... similar to that of an F-14A
Tomcat during an attack run; "

"

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew

, died.[1] This event ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, 10th if including the 9/11 attacks, which include ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf. The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

And the "nice people' have never apologised for it.

The US warship was actually operating in international waters.

Overall and for most of the time, but operational awareness had degraded to the point where it had wandered in and out of Iranian national waters, as shown on its navigational plot computer. According to the ACI story, it was inside Iranian waters at the time of the shootdown.

Regardless of its position vis a vis international boundaries, the point is clear - mistakes occur when civilian aircraft fly over contested areas, and it is hypocritical of the US to make a song and dance about MH-70 after the Vincennes shootdown.

Far better to just stick with the single MH-70 incident. That is murky enough, and I find the unwillingness of participants in this crazy Slavic war reprehensible in not permitting a full and open investigation.

Point is - Putin is what he is - but he is a head of state, and puerile media bites hinting at confrontation without clear evidence are just that - puerile media bites.

At least the Yanks had an inquiry.

What have the Russians done?

Waited for the evidence within the planes black box, recovered by the Dutch, to be made public!

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