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Must have been the carbon tax
Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:16pm

Carbon dioxide levels 17pc lower than predicted, plants absorbing more CO2 than expected: study

AM By Simon Santow, staff

Updated 52 minutes agoTue 14 Oct 2014, 12:21pm

Carbon dioxide levels worldwide are currently 17 per cent lower than predicted by computer models, research shows.

The study showed plants were working harder than many expected to counteract the effects of man-made greenhouse gases, which scientists said is driving climate change, by absorbing carbon dioxide.

Lianhong Gu, from the Climate Change Institute at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the United States, said most carbon-cycle models had over-predicted the growth rate.

Dr Gu said the growth rate of carbon dioxide levels had been over-predicted by 17 per cent over a 100-year period.

His paper, published in the journal PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences), set out some rare good news on climate change.

Dr Gu said it underlined how critical plants were to keeping atmospheric CO2 levels as low as possible.

"It is very important to keep the planet green. You know, where every animal on this planet gets their food," he said.

Humans still running climate change show: experts

Experts said the study did not mean climate change was not happening, and that it strengthened the argument that the planet's greenery needed to be protected.

University of Melbourne climate scientist Peter Rayner said the study allowed for more understanding on how nature absorbed CO2.

"We understood already that nature was absorbing half the carbon dioxide we were putting in the atmosphere and now we understand a little more about how that's happening," he said.

"It's particularly good news if they're going to increase that rate as the carbon dioxide goes up.

"It helps us understand a puzzle about why carbon dioxide has changed, the way it has, over the last century - it's a bit of a mystery to us why it hasn't been increasing faster, actually."

He said a saving in the vicinity of 17 per cent sounded significant, but only translated into four years' worth of total CO2 emissions.

"When it comes to controlling changes in CO2 in the atmosphere, nature is interesting but humans are in control; it's our problem and our choice," he said.

CSIRO Global Carbon Project head Pep Canadell said the study showed plants could "perform at elevated CO2 in the future than what current models are saying".

"Just to put in perspective, it could potentially be a little bit of a help for us, but in the big scheme of things, humans are running the show of changing the climate," he said.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #1 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:18pm "We understood already that nature was absorbing half the carbon dioxide we were putting in the atmosphere and now we understand a little more about how that's happening," he said. Why didn't they put it in their much vaunted models then, I hear you cry. Because Mr Flannery didn't tell us, came the loud reply.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #2 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:19pm CO ₂ levels are still rising though.
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DaS Energy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3962 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #3 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:26pm Bam wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:19pm: CO ₂ levels are still rising though. The plants take all they can, but we keep clearing them and trees, Carbon levels keeping up so the whole advice is useless as crap!
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #4 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 1:15pm Lower than predicted by the computer modellers . . .17%!!! Maybe they'd do better as Lego-modellers.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #5 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 1:17pm bogarde73 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Lower than predicted by the computer modellers . . .17%!!! Maybe they'd do better as Lego-modellers. They do a far better job than you. The weather forecast is often wrong, do you post complaints about that too?
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Vic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8306 Melbourne Victoria Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #6 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 1:22pm 'Just to put in perspective, it could potentially be a little bit of a help for us, but in the big scheme of things, humans are running the show of changing the climate," he said." Says it all really....
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Reply #7 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

The weather forecast is not a political issue, climate related matters are.
Certain cave-dwellers among us chose to make it so and therefore anything of interest is worthy of comment.

And actually, I find the weather forecasts to be extremenly accurate, within time limits. It never ceases to amaze me - and I have an interest in following forecasts - that they can come up with eg temperature estimates days ahead that turn out to be spot on.

Now compare that with the green-infiltrated climate modellers . . .17%!!!!

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Reply #8 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 1:43pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

"We understood already that nature was absorbing half the carbon dioxide we were putting in the atmosphere and now we understand a little more about how that's happening," he said.

Why didn't they put it in their much vaunted models then, I hear you cry.

Because Mr Flannery didn't tell us, came the loud reply.

Maybe because they only just found out about how it was working. It is something they didn't expect when the models were developed. It is good news but it does not really change anything.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #9 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:20pm It does change something . . .perception. In the minds of some more people these gurus of the climate religion will be perceived, rightly so, to be just that much more fragile, that much more suspect, that much more unbelievable.
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #10 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:23pm So, how'd this study go at the peer review stage, or is that still happening?
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Reply #11 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

It does change something . . .perception. In the minds of some more people these gurus of the climate religion will be perceived, rightly so, to be just that much more fragile, that much more suspect, that much more unbelievable.

Science is the art of asking questions, finding answers then re-asking the same question.

I don't know if you're really this stupid or are playing it up for your political ideology.

Pretty sure its the 2nd which in the 70's would have you endorsing smoking as a lung function enhancer.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #12 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:44pm I'm sure I could have made good money working for the tobacco companies instead of buggerising around with the things I did do.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84922 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #13 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:47pm Bloody plants and their personal prejudices.. why don't they do something about volcano gases? Pure racism that is.....
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Must have been the carbon tax Reply #14 - Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:56pm Be it a carbon tax or an ETS, in some capacity one is coming whether you think it's a scam or not, all Tony has done is put us behind the 8 ball and years behind abolishing it.
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