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Reply #105 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

- one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers'

Simple.

One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive. You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.

No, that is done to avoid persecution.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

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Reply #106 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

"Applying for protection onshore is not a means of “jumping the queue” or bypassing the “proper” process of applying for protection.

"In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin.

"The UN resettlement system does not work like a queue. The term “queue” implies that resettlement is an orderly process and, if you join the end, you are guaranteed to reach the front within a certain amount of time. In reality, the UN resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue. Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and therefore simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option.

"Furthermore, refugees are prioritised for resettlement according to need, not according to how long they have been waiting. These needs fluctuate and are continuously reassessed. For example, conditions in a refugee-producing country may improve, allowing refugees from that country to return home if they wish; or conditions in a refugee-hosting country may deteriorate, placing the refugees in that country in greater need of resettlement."

http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/about/factsheets/10/are-refugees-who-arrive-by-boat...

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Reply #107 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

- one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers'

Simple.

One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive. You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.

No, that is done to avoid persecution.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Looks like you have set up your single sandbag and sheltering behind that and in for a long haul.

I will leave you to it, nice day out there and couldn't be bothered addressing your obdurate and deceptive defence.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85238 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #108 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:21pm **sits back.. chews popcorn... watches Greg Pecc rip 'em on this issue....
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Reply #109 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

- one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers'

Simple.

One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive. You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.

No, that is done to avoid persecution.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Looks like you have set up your single sandbag and sheltering behind that and in for a long haul.

I will leave you to it, nice day out there and couldn't be bothered addressing your obdurate and deceptive defence.

You can't be bothered accepting the truth:

"Applying for protection onshore is not a means of “jumping the queue” or bypassing the “proper” process of applying for protection.

"In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin.

"The UN resettlement system does not work like a queue. The term “queue” implies that resettlement is an orderly process and, if you join the end, you are guaranteed to reach the front within a certain amount of time. In reality, the UN resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue. Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and therefore simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option.

"Furthermore, refugees are prioritised for resettlement according to need, not according to how long they have been waiting. These needs fluctuate and are continuously reassessed. For example, conditions in a refugee-producing country may improve, allowing refugees from that country to return home if they wish; or conditions in a refugee-hosting country may deteriorate, placing the refugees in that country in greater need of resettlement."

http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/about/factsheets/10/are-refugees-who-arrive-by-boat...

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9627 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #110 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:24pm Although I have to (once again) admire greggery's persistence. As someone once said - he's like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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Bubba Zanetti Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 508 Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #111 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 1:38pm So you're basing your assumptions on UN (Judeo-American narco idustrialist) protocols. Gotcha...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139247 Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #112 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 1:54pm Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 1:38pm: So you're basing your assumptions on UN (Judeo-American narco idustrialist) protocols. I'll leave the assumptions to you. I'm dealing in facts.
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Bubba Zanetti Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 508 Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #113 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:00pm The fact that the UN system doesn't work like a queue means there isn't a queue. What a leftist puppet!
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139247 Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #114 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:03pm Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:00pm: The fact that the UN system doesn't work like a queue means there isn't a queue. Along with the fact that one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #115 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:15pm Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:47am: It looks like that dude on the last link is going down on somebody. It's Ewan McGregor, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Bubba Zanetti Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 508 Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #116 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:28pm Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand?
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Reply #117 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

- one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers'

Simple.

One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive. You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.

No, that is done to avoid persecution.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

That is correct - over 90% of refugees are not registered. The people assessed in refugee camps are not asylum seekers they are refugees.

Any way you look at it we have a very sad situation and it is unfortunate that in Australia we are only making it worse.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59215 Here Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #118 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:38pm Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:28pm: Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand? How many are ducks ?
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Bubba Zanetti Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 508 Gender:	Re: Scott Morrison for PM Reply #119 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:40pm I feel a swarm coming on...,
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