greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:52am:


Not too many are coming by boat nowadays as they know there is no chance of resettlement in Australia, which is why the Coalition is closing down mainland detention centres.
The idiotic benefit of the doubt policy that the Immigration department worked with under Labor is long gone, so now any genuine refugee claims can be assessed properly.

Actually, Greg is right.  There is no queue.  A queue assumes that each application is processed in turn, on the basis of time of presentation.  In reality, the Asylum applications are processed on the basis of need.  Those ascertained to have the greatest need are processed first.  Therefore, there is no queue and in fact, the Convention on Refugees makes it plain applications must be processed in such a way.   

FYI, Greg, grammatically, 'there isn't a queue' is correct. While we're being pedantic.

Soren wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:



Boat arrivals aren't illegal, and there is no queue to jump in order to become an asylum seeker.

Who's feeding you all this misinformation?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 9:08am:



They're all asylum seekers.

Moreover, the majority turn out to be genuine refugees.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

All the illegal boat arrivals jumped the queue. Instead of waiting for Australia and the Unhcr to assess their need and their acceptability to Australia, they foisted themselves on Australia. They are not interested in protection, only in permanent settlement.
Queue jumpers is correct.

Of a  boat load of Tamis, 30% admitted to not fleeing persecution. If 50% of the rest think they are refugees but aren't,  that's 65 out of every 100 are just plain old country shoppers looking to subvert Australia's immigration department.  Greg doesn't believe the Australian government has any say in this.
BTW, grammatically there 'isn't a queue' is correct. Just saying.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:


One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive.  You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.  The queue is the pool of people waiting to be resettled where there are limited opportunities.

"As Prime Minister I won't tolerate people smugglers attempting to bend and break the will of the Government to protect our borders and also our will to do the right thing as a country and to provide safe haven for those in need," Ms Gillard warned.

"I want to be very clear about this: under this arrangement if someone seeks to come to Australia they are at risk of going to Malaysia and going to the back of the queue.

"This won't be the last step, but it is a big step.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/the-malaysia-solution/story-e6frf7jo-1226051644923


WS:  Sending back refugees who jump on a boat anywhere in the region and putting at the end of a very long queue in Malaysia sends a very tough message to the people smugglers and all those that are involved with them. The first step in a regional solution.

http://today.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8246229

So any body now who is in the region and contemplating getting on a boat now knows that if they arrive here then they can be sent back , if they arrive on Christmas Island they can go back to the end of a very, very long queue in Malaysia. There is not certainty anymore, no certainty anymore that they will be here and processed.

http://today.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8246229