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Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:36pm
 
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/electric-dreams-lockheed-says-...

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THE “true atomic age” of limitless electricity without any radioactive waste or carbon dioxide emissions could be a reality within a decade, according to a US aerospace company that has claimed a breakthrough in nuclear fusion.

Scientists have reacted cautiously to Lockheed Martin’s claims which, if true, could revo­lutionise the global energy ­equation and space travel.

The company’s hi-tech offshoot, Skunk Works, which developed the U-2 spy plane and F-117 stealth fighter jet, said it was developing nuclear fusion plants the size of a small truck.

Without the radioactive waste from conventional nuclear fission, there are no fears of nuclear ­weapons proliferation and fewer political barriers to rolling out the technology at scale.

Lockheed Martin said the new generators could be bolted directly on to existing gas-fired electricity generators. Alternatively, they could be fitted to aeroplanes and ships that would never require refuelling and would theoretically have an unlimited range.



The “grand vision” is to be able to “get to Mars in a month, and you can only do that if you have a ton of power”, said project team leader, Tom McGuire.

Nuclear fusion — the process through which the sun produces energy — has long been the holy grail of nuclear power but development has proven difficult because of the large infrastructure required, managing the tremendous heat involved and the amount of energy required to generate a reaction.

To generate electricity the heat from a fusion reactor is used to boil water and produce steam, which spins a standard turbine currently used in gas-fired power plants.

Unlike conventional fission nuclear reaction, when one atom is split into two smaller fragments, a fusion reaction is achieved by heating gas and separating it into ions and electrons. When the ions get hot enough, they can overcome their mutual repulsion and collide, fusing together, releasing about one million times more energy than a chemical reaction and three to four times more energy than a fission reaction.

Lockheed Martin claims to have overcome earlier problems with the design of a bottle-shaped magnetic field to contain the enormous amounts of heat generated.

The company said it had several patents pending on the technology. Lockheed Martin first announced its intention to begin work on a small scale nuclear ­fusion in March last year. The speed of developments has caught many people by surprise.

Dr McGuire said the technology developed at Skunk Works would allow the release of vast amounts of energy in a controlled fashion. He said the small size of the fusion reactor units was the key to the speed of anticipated development. “Rather than the size of a large building, we can do it in something the size of a truck,” Dr McGuire said.

“It doesn’t take five years to design it; it takes three months. We think we can design, build and test it in under a year. We think we can get to a prototype in five years.”

Nuclear expert Ziggy Switkowski said if the company had achieved the breakthroughs it claimed, it was “terribly exciting” — a 100 megawatt reactor would be able to run a large mine site or a town of 100,000 people.

Dr Switkowski said the company’s timelines were ambitious. “Even if they can produce a prototype in five years, it would take another 10 years for the necessary regulatory approvals and ability to scale it up,” he said.

“In terms of widespread availability, it is still 20 years off.”

Dr Switkowski said many companies had failed in their quest to develop nuclear fusion technology but Lockheed Martin was a credible company with a good record of innovation.

The Australian Science Media Centre also urged caution on the claimed breakthrough.

Roger Dargavill, leader of the MEI Energy Futures Group at the University of Melbourne, said it was unlikely fusion power would be cost-competitive against wind and solar in Australia.

He said nuclear was low-carbon and would be an important part of the electricity generation fleet in countries where other low-carbon alternatives were not viable.

Joel Gilmore from ROAM Consulting said the Lockheed announcement was a long way from a working prototype, let alone a commercially viable power generator.

“Even if successful, the big question is what will fusion power cost?” he said.

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Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm
 
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.
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Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.



Yeah, it sounds cool. But I've still got my reservations about it - what if the reactors lose control, and it goes from controlled to uncontrolled reactions? Then, goodbye neighbourhood.
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Reply #3 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:04pm
 
MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.



Yeah, it sounds cool. But I've still got my reservations about it - what if the reactors lose control, and it goes from controlled to uncontrolled reactions? Then, goodbye neighbourhood.



A fusion reactor does not have 200 tonnes of uranium ready to melt down & destroy a whole country -

they would be fed tiny pellets of deuterium smaller than a match head.

You don't have to worry.
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Reply #4 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 12:53am
 
Lots and lots of technical problems to be overcome before it gets anywhere near production.

They have yet to explain what materials they are going to use to withstand the extremely high temperatures generated by the Plasma which they will need to create a sustained Fusion reaction.   Tens of thousands of degrees in all likelihood.  Not much around can sustain that sort of temperature for extended periods.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:45am
 
Nothing can hold it: may aswell be reading a rehashed big-bang article..! There'll be a few articles on string theory soon rehashing what they wrote about it in scientific american when they rewrote what they hashed together on the rewrite of the last rewrite... more ads than a kung f u  magazine ,... go go anti-intellectualism because we've got shite to buy and renovations to build so as we can all work on the boring property portfolios that make us the paper tigers we were taught by hollywood to be... the banks are rich, the stockmarkets are rich, the africans are still poor and getting poorer (go figure  Roll Eyes) via dodgy non-free-trade dodgy brothers globalised style agreements and whitey is still tripping on about fusion... young libs will be all in everyones collective faces about moonrock after the next crack party no doubt- lucky we've all grown out of it THANK GAWWWWWWWWWWWD  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am
 
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http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

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It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.
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Reply #7 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:03am
 
But there are many doubting Thomas's:


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/16/has-lockheed-martin-really-ma...

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But fusion researchers have responded coolly to the Lockheed announcement.

Professor Steven Cowley, director of the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy in Oxfordshire, says he is “nonplussed”. According to Cowley, Lockheed had said “all the usual things about how it’s going to save the world and how nice it would be if [the reactor] was small” but failed to produce any details upon which their success can be judged.
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Reply #8 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/corporate/photo/features...

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

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It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.


Bobby, the magnetic bottle will constrain the plasma.  However, it cannot and will not prevent the radiation of heat.  Nothing does, except a physically insulating material by either reflection or absorption .    You're betraying your ignorance about how physics works.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/corporate/photo/features...

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

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It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.


Bobby, the magnetic bottle will constrain the plasma.  However, it cannot and will not prevent the radiation of heat.  Nothing does, except a physically insulating material by either reflection or absorption .    You're betraying your ignorance about how physics works.   Roll Eyes



Heat is what the scientists want to heat up the water & turn it into steam for a turbine.

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Reply #10 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/corporate/photo/features...

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

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It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.


Bobby, the magnetic bottle will constrain the plasma.  However, it cannot and will not prevent the radiation of heat.  Nothing does, except a physically insulating material by either reflection or absorption .    You're betraying your ignorance about how physics works.   Roll Eyes



Heat is what the scientists want to heat up the water & turn it into steam for a turbine.

forgiven

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Here's the real question, Bobby, what can you make the magnetic field generators, the reactor vessel, etc,, out of that can survive that temperature for the required length of time?

Wishful thinking?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:51pm
 
Dear Brian,
they claim to have solved the problem you mention:

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The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.
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Now now children, play nicely.

Brian dear, it seems you betray your lack of knowledge of basic engineering. Yes, the fusion reaction will radiate heat, but this can easily be managed by simple engineering.

For example, depending on how the design is made, it may be the purpose to heat up the container, which then transfers heat to a coolant, which in turn powers a turbine or something. Or, it may be a byproduct, in which case it can firstly be reduced by very effecive infrared mirrors or bragg gratings, and then any excess heat removed by coolant. Possibilities abound.

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MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:34pm:
Now now children, play nicely.

Brian dear, it seems you betray your lack of knowledge of basic engineering. Yes, the fusion reaction will radiate heat, but this can easily be managed by simple engineering.

For example, depending on how the design is made, it may be the purpose to heat up the container, which then transfers heat to a coolant, which in turn powers a turbine or something. Or, it may be a byproduct, in which case it can firstly be reduced by very effecive infrared mirrors or bragg gratings, and then any excess heat removed by coolant. Possibilities abound.




And so it is according to the divine plan.

Man will have limitless power & energy.

in love & the light of fusion

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Yeah ,but what about the parrots?
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