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Libs policies a hit
Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

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Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

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https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Libs policies a hit Reply #1 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 5:49pm Surely "The Adults" in Canberra wouldn't set this sort of program in motion without doing all the checks and balances. But then, it's all so much easier when you are in Opposition and only have 3-word slogans going for you.....
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Libs policies a hit Reply #2 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:27pm It's the new industry, it's all we've got, ripping off the underprivileged and disadvantaged. Scammers hitting on the intellectually disabled as they emerge from Centrelink.....getting them on the HECS debt merry-go-round.....sign up for your training now.....team Australia needs you on board. Shame Australia shame!
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Re: Libs policies a hit
Reply #3 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

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https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

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Re: Libs policies a hit
Reply #4 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 7:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

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https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

and people were installing pink batts for decades ... so?

these guys weren't scammed under labor, no matter how much you wish it so ...

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Reply #5 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 8:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

The Federal Government said it is aware of the unscrupulous behaviour and has revealed plans to arm regulators with new powers from next year.

Just how long have they known about it and why haven't they done something before now??

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Reply #6 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 8:43pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

and people were installing pink batts for decades ... so?

these guys weren't scammed under labor, no matter how much you wish it so ...

True, but it wasn't until a Labor government tried to control things that people died and houses burned down in numbers.

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Reply #7 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:11pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

and people were installing pink batts for decades ... so?

these guys weren't scammed under labor, no matter how much you wish it so ...

True, but it wasn't until a Labor government tried to control things that people died and houses burned down in numbers.

rubbish ... people died installing insulation before, you just couldn't use it politically ....

The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that 61 per cent of dwellings, almost 3.2 million, had insulation in 2008, with 98 per cent of these having roof or ceiling insulation.

Officials in Garrett's department told a Senate committee hearing that the pre-program rate of installations was 65,000 to 70,000 a year, with 80 to 85 insulation-related fires a year. Roughly 30 per cent were linked to new installations, on industry estimates. The program insulated more than 1.1 million homes. If 94 fires have been linked to this, the implication is that the fire risk was roughly four times lower than before, even as the number of installations rose 15-fold.

As for the four deaths of installers, one of them through heat exhaustion and another using foil insulation that Garrett had barred from the program months earlier,

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/insulation-fire-risk-was-worse-before-rebate-20100303-pivv.html#ixzz3GUgVWttk

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #8 - Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

Oh garbage, Armpit! 1.2m houses were retrofitted with insulation in a short space of time—the normal pace would have taken 20 years minimum to do that number and deaths and fires would have been spread out more.

The number of fires and deaths per 1000 houses insulated was less under the HIP.

The witch hunt of an RC into the HIP could not find any govt negligence, did not find any thing in fact that the 8 previous enquiries had already found out.

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Reply #9 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 1:55am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

and people were installing pink batts for decades ... so?

these guys weren't scammed under labor, no matter how much you wish it so ...

True, but it wasn't until a Labor government tried to control things that people died and houses burned down in numbers.

And as you well know, that government only handled the funding, not the actual implementation.

I'm no more a fan of Labor than of the current Death of Australia - both the same to me and equally destructive and worthless - but fair is fair.

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Reply #10 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

It seems the liberal parties idea to throw money at training institutions is a success .... for some.

The ABC has obtained evidence some colleges are recruiting people with intellectual disabilities to costly diploma-level courses funded with expensive VET-FEE-HELP training loans.

Single mother slugged $40,000 for hairdressing. She discovered the course she had actually signed up for was a theory-based salon management course, not hairdressing. It is a distinction easily lost on Ms Warfield because she has dyslexia

When Jacqui Whitehead's son was recruited to a business management course she became suspicious.

...

Her 24-year-old son Lukus has a diagnosed intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder. The Adelaide man completed year 10 with a special life skills qualification for people with a disability.

He was signed up for a diploma in business management by recruiters for Aspire College after being targeted outside Centrelink.

.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25290387/training-colleges-securing-thousands-in-gov...

you do realise these programs have been going on for years now, right? ie, under LABOR???

they suck tho.

The framework was introduced by the Howard government when he abolished the CES. Labor didn't change much, if anything.

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Reply #11 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 7:02am

Unemployed people are seen as walking dollar signs for the unscrupulous, to be exploited, enrolled into sham courses, and then spat out again.

What is particularly heinous about this criminal misconduct is that an unemployed person is only allowed to do one set of courses. Once someone has attained a Certificate IV level course, no further government funding is available.

The rorting of education courses is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more exploitation of the unemployed on the public purse that the general population don't yet know about.

Here's another.

Some private recruiters have set themselves up as education providers so they can also "train" unemployed people. They have jobs available - or so they say - but to get a look at those jobs, an unemployed person has to complete a vocational placement course with them. No prior learning for the same course is accepted. At $2000 a head with a couple of hundred people through the door per year, that's a really nice scam to be running. And they can dob in people to Centrelink if they don't complete the course.

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Bogus topic from the uncaring!
Reply #12 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 8:03am

Wow, the same topic with a heading now turned on its head the other way...

It seems the owner of this OP is naught more than the flip side of the coin for the other OP.

It is not charities ripping off these people (as per the other stupid OP) nor is it merely anything directly connected solely to Lib party policy.

It has obviously already been pointed out this crap was going on under Labor previously too.

It might be nice for people to actually have a care for those being ripped off rather than using base, moronic and/or ludicrous "catchy" headlines for nothing more than political feather ruffling.

The underlying issue here is the problematic nature of privatisation, both parties have happily stuck their thumbs into that pie so there is simply no moral high ground for either ideology to latch onto.

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Reply #13 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 8:39am

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

Wow, the same topic with a heading now turned on its head the other way...

It seems the owner of this OP is naught more than the flip side of the coin for the other OP.

It is not charities ripping off these people (as per the other stupid OP) nor is it merely anything directly connected solely to Lib party policy.

It has obviously already been pointed out this crap was going on under Labor previously too.

It might be nice for people to actually have a care for those being ripped off rather than using base, moronic and/or ludicrous "catchy" headlines for nothing more than political feather ruffling.

The underlying issue here is the problematic nature of privatisation, both parties have happily stuck their thumbs into that pie so there is simply no moral high ground for either ideology to latch onto.

Yes, neither major party has anything to be proud of here. The Howard government set up the current system. The Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments kept it in place.

The biggest shame for all these governments is that they have formulated policy without speaking to unemployed people to find out what works and what doesn't, and where money is being wasted. How can they know what's going on if they only ever have one side of the story? There's a lot of money being wasted - but the government are not ever going to find out about it if they only talk to the ones benefiting from the waste.

The current government are proposing to cut Newstart for anyone over 30. They could save a similar amount of money by prohibiting recruitment agencies from running vocational courses, or by a similar tightening of the rules.

These are just a few examples of the flaws with the current job network system (a rather Orwellian name). Despite the system being in place for 17 years, it has not ever had a major review . A comprehensive review is overdue.

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Reply #14 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 10:54am

Lobo wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

Surely "The Adults" in Canberra wouldn't set this sort of program in motion without doing all the checks and balances.

But then, it's all so much easier when you are in Opposition and only have 3-word slogans going for you.....

Wink

Thats what deregulation of the education industry will do.
The Abbott government is completely ideologically driven.

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