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Re: I choose to, NOT, 'accept' moslems!
Reply #16 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:47pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Suppose for a second that what you are saying is completely true...

Do you really think western civilisation would allow an implementation of Sharia Law? That'd we'd all just get on our knees and accept it? I don't think so. We love our democratic freedoms... though, it's because of this democratic freedom that people from other cultures are able to come here in the first place.

You're addressing Yadda like one would address a sane person.

I'm not sure why.

Ignorance breeds more ignorance.

I don't believe Yadda is insane, or stupid. If you treat people as such they are less likely to change or expand on their views. I can understand where he and the others are coming from, despite having a differing opinion.

You're young: you don't know any better.

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on him.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, Greg.

I'd say that a few members on this forum need "help".

How is somebody on a forum going to be dangerous to you?

I didn't say that he would be dangerous to me.

I think about other people, you know.

If you think that the posts from Yadda are from a sane person, you really must be a lot younger and more naive than I thought.

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Reply #17 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Suppose for a second that what you are saying is completely true...

Do you really think western civilisation would allow an implementation of Sharia Law? That'd we'd all just get on our knees and accept it? I don't think so. We love our democratic freedoms... though, it's because of this democratic freedom that people from other cultures are able to come here in the first place.

You're addressing Yadda like one would address a sane person.

I'm not sure why.

Ignorance breeds more ignorance.

I don't believe Yadda is insane, or stupid. If you treat people as such they are less likely to change or expand on their views. I can understand where he and the others are coming from, despite having a differing opinion.

You're young: you don't know any better.

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on him.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, Greg.

I'd say that a few members on this forum need "help".

How is somebody on a forum going to be dangerous to you?

I didn't say that he would be dangerous to me.

I think about other people, you know.

If you think that the posts from Yadda are from a sane person, you really must be a lot younger and more naive than I thought.

I don't really know if he's sane or not, maybe he just has a strange way of typing?

If you're going by the constant references to the bible, isn't that considered religious intolerance. Or is he just insane because of his phobia of Islam?

Neither of those things make you insane or crazy. Differing opinions do not make you insane because that would imply everyone is insane -- or maybe they are. Wink

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Reply #18 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Suppose for a second that what you are saying is completely true...

Do you really think western civilisation would allow an implementation of Sharia Law? That'd we'd all just get on our knees and accept it? I don't think so. We love our democratic freedoms... though, it's because of this democratic freedom that people from other cultures are able to come here in the first place.

You're addressing Yadda like one would address a sane person.

I'm not sure why.

Ignorance breeds more ignorance.

I don't believe Yadda is insane, or stupid. If you treat people as such they are less likely to change or expand on their views. I can understand where he and the others are coming from, despite having a differing opinion.

You're young: you don't know any better.

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

Yes, greggery,

I am, a very dangerous person.

People like myself, should be beheaded

- for the public good.

Yadda said, recently....
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An idea [i.e. an ideology], can be a dangerous thing!

An idea, can change your mind!

Job 28:28
.....the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Proverbs 9:6
Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

- George Orwell

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."

- George Orwell

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I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on him.

No need.

ASIO have got that 'covered'. Cheesy

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Reply #19 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:06pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Suppose for a second that what you are saying is completely true...

Do you really think western civilisation would allow an implementation of Sharia Law? That'd we'd all just get on our knees and accept it? I don't think so. We love our democratic freedoms... though, it's because of this democratic freedom that people from other cultures are able to come here in the first place.

You're addressing Yadda like one would address a sane person.

I'm not sure why.

Ignorance breeds more ignorance.

I don't believe Yadda is insane, or stupid. If you treat people as such they are less likely to change or expand on their views. I can understand where he and the others are coming from, despite having a differing opinion.

You're young: you don't know any better.

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

Yes, greggery,

I am, a very dangerous person.

People like myself, should be beheaded

- for the public good.

That's where you and I differ (apart from the sane/insane thing): I don't condone violence, or wish harm against anyone.

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Reply #20 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:16pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Yadda:

You honestly don't believe that political correctness and freedom in democracy has allowed the Islamic to spread out, so to speak?

As for not being able to walk the streets in suburbia and cities, I haven't heard of any attacks other than the 18 year old in Melbourne who attempted to behead a police officer, and believe me, if there were others to reinforce this fear, I'm sure you and a few others would have enlightened us on the matter.

I'm talking about a general complacency in our 'sophisticated' society, towards LAWLESSNESS.

A LAWLESSNESS which ISLAM also 'enjoins'.

Freedumb,

I do not blame moslems, for our 'circumstance' [re the threat posed to our societies by ISLAM].

I blame people like you and me!!!!

And OUR OWN complacency towards apparent LAWLESSNESS.

AS PER, WHAT I HAVE STATED PREVIOUSLY;

Yadda said....
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If we tolerate evil, and wickedness, in our midst,
...we, ourselves, will become those, who are evil.

And tolerance of evil, is not 'tolerance'.

It is wickedness!

And today people just don't get that truth.

In fact most people will strenuously deny that logic.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is desirable, and good, and peaceable."
,
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

Whenever we choose to be tolerant of evil [in our midst], it is certain, as night follows day, that we ourselves, will become evil.

Our 'tolerance' of evil, merely reveals the wickedness which is ALREADY within us!

And if you are a person who is "tolerant" of evil behaviour, DON'T KID YOURSELF,
...God hates you.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann

i Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

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Reply #21 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:22pm

At least you acknowledge the complacency.

I have similar views to your own. For instance, I oppose those who stand up for the freedoms and civil rights of killers and paedophiles. I oppose the do-gooders travelling to Ebola infested countries to "help" and then come back putting everyone else at risk! This doesn't "help".

I oppose terrorists and the freedoms that they have in this country, which they take advantage of.

I do not, however, oppose a Muslim who is innocent. I know that you think that Islam is beyond reformation, but that isn't true -- it is very capable of doing so and will take encouragement and support. Condemning every Muslim will not change anything, it will only worsen it -- if people like us are close-minded and assume that they are all "evil" then they will be much more inclined to fight on the side that really is evil.

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Reply #23 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Suppose for a second that what you are saying is completely true...

Do you really think western civilisation would allow an implementation of Sharia Law? That'd we'd all just get on our knees and accept it? I don't think so. We love our democratic freedoms... though, it's because of this democratic freedom that people from other cultures are able to come here in the first place.

You're addressing Yadda like one would address a sane person.

I'm not sure why.

Ignorance breeds more ignorance.

I don't believe Yadda is insane, or stupid. If you treat people as such they are less likely to change or expand on their views. I can understand where he and the others are coming from, despite having a differing opinion.

You're young: you don't know any better.

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

Yes, greggery,

I am, a very dangerous person.

People like myself, should be beheaded

- for the public good.

That's where you and I differ (apart from the sane/insane thing):

I don't condone violence, or wish harm against anyone.

greggery,

You are a pacifist.

People like you, don't deserve freedom/liberty.

Why so ?

Because you choose to turn away, to avert your eyes,

when you see evil and violence in front of your eyes.

No ?

greggery,

In being an 'advocate' to moslems, you are an apologist [a defender], of murderers and wanna-be-murderers, of rapists, and oppressors.

greggery,

People like yourself would 'advocate' for the rights of a bucket of sewage.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11iYadda said...
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Avoiding conflict by appeasing bullies is NOT a path to peace.
Avoiding conflict by surrendering ourselves to evil and violent men, is NOT a path to peace.
Refusing to DISCRIMINATE in favour of virtue and against what we know is evil, is NOT a path to peace.
Being unwilling to defend virtue is NOT a path to peace.
Promoting INDISCRIMINATE UNCRITICAL pacifism when we are confronted by evil and violent men, is NOT a path to peace.
Seeking to avoid making personal sacrifices for virtue and truth, is NOT a path to peace.
Kneeling before evil and violent men [as cowering slaves do], SO AS TO AVOID CONFLICT, is NOT a path to peace.

Yadda said...
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IMO, ppl like yourself seem to want a 'peace' at any cost.

But, imo morality, or life, doesn't work like that.

Peace comes from defending open truth.

But your logic seems to be;
'Wanting' something, will produce it.

Or;
'If we give bullies what they want, surely, they will be satisfied, and leave us alone.'

They won't.

If you give a bully/thug, what he wants, he will come back again, and again.

And eventually he will take from you, everything that you own.

And the last thing the bully/the thug, will take from you, is your life.

The appeasement of evil men, does not lead to peace.

IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood.

As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

Peace comes from justice.
Justice comes when *we* respect, and defend, free and open truth.
With justice comes peace.
Justice comes from facing up to, and embracing, TRUTH.

We [who seek peace] are kidding ourselves [we are living in la la land!], if we believe that aggression, or violence, is 'overcome', by our surrender to it!

Or if we believe that the appeasement of evil and wicked men, is a way to peace.

The appeasement of evil [men], does not lead to peace.

The aggression and violence of evil men, is not overcome, by our surrender, to the designs of those evil men.

That path leads only to slavery, and death.

How is peace achieved, in the real world?

Peace comes through sacrifice, and our willingness to fight for truth, and to fight for what is right[eous].

And, judgement.

Peace among men comes as a consequence of righteous judgement.

Peace among men comes when wicked men are judged, and when their fellows [other wicked men] come to understand that their wicked actions, will bring judgement upon them.

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Reply #24 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:42pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Suppose for a second that what you are saying is completely true...

Do you really think western civilisation would allow an implementation of Sharia Law? That'd we'd all just get on our knees and accept it? I don't think so. We love our democratic freedoms... though, it's because of this democratic freedom that people from other cultures are able to come here in the first place.

You're addressing Yadda like one would address a sane person.

I'm not sure why.

Ignorance breeds more ignorance.

I don't believe Yadda is insane, or stupid. If you treat people as such they are less likely to change or expand on their views. I can understand where he and the others are coming from, despite having a differing opinion.

You're young: you don't know any better.

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on him.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, Greg.

I'd say that a few members on this forum need "help".

How is somebody on a forum going to be dangerous to you?

I didn't say that he would be dangerous to me.

I think about other people, you know.

If you think that the posts from Yadda are from a sane person, you really must be a lot younger and more naive than I thought.

I don't really know if he's sane or not, maybe he just has a strange way of typing?

LOL

Yup.

I've survived 6 decades plus, on this planet.

So i'm not likely to be a danger to myself.

And in those 6 decades plus, i have never been in goal.

And i have never been charged with any criminal offence.

But i am no 'saint'. Wink

But my God loves me.

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Reply #25 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

I don't really know if he's sane or not, maybe he just has a strange way of typing?

If you're going by the constant references to the bible, isn't that considered religious intolerance. Or is he just insane because of his phobia of Islam?

Neither of those things make you insane or crazy.

Differing opinions do not make you insane because that would imply everyone is insane -- or maybe they are. Wink

Freedumb,

All the world is mad!!!! .....except me, and thee!

And even thou art a little strange, ......sometimes!!!! Wink

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Freedumb,

You should use the nick Freedame, imo.

Freedumb,

Sounds a little self-derogatory, to freedom.

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Reply #26 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

You're young: you don't know any better.

Your senile, how would you know anything?greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

I'll bet you a year's salary that you're wrong.

My tax bill pays for 2 married pensioner couples a year. You wouldn't be able to afford my bar tab.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

He has some very serious issues that need addressing by a professional.

I suggest you look to your, sadly overlooked metal issues before issuing quack statements about others. My brother deals with people like you all the time, if you want the going rate drop us a note.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

I just hope that he seeks help soon, or someone close to him gets him the help he needs.

I am trying to help GP, reach out pm me if you feel your problems are too OTT for others to read! You know its never too late to go to rehab, said a lady who is now dead.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

He sounds like the sort of person who could actually be dangerous.

GP that's a delusional statement, see a mental health practitioner, Urgently

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

I'll certainly be keeping a close eye on him.

Too late

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Reply #28 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:20pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I choose to, NOT, 'accept' moslems!

OK, I think you've made that rather clear here and in multiple other threads. Do you have to keep repeating it? You're entitled to not accept Muslims but do we have to be bombarded with announcements of your choice continually?

Doesn't your non-acceptance, based as it is on prejudice and religious bigotry rather indicate that its ideologically driven rather than made as the result of a rational choice? Roll Eyes

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Reply #29 - Oct 19^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

I don't really know if he's sane or not, maybe he just has a strange way of typing?

If you're going by the constant references to the bible, isn't that considered religious intolerance. Or is he just insane because of his phobia of Islam?

Neither of those things make you insane or crazy.

Differing opinions do not make you insane because that would imply everyone is insane -- or maybe they are. Wink

Freedumb,

All the world is mad!!!! .....except me, and thee!

And even thou art a little strange, ......sometimes!!!! Wink

p.s.

Freedumb,

You should use the nick Freedame, imo.

Freedumb,

Sounds a little self-derogatory, to freedom.

I am a little strange, and don't worry, people say that I'm a nutter as well.

Yes, the world is mad.

Have you ever heard of somebody referring to democracy as dumbocracy? Well it's similar to that. If I was offended by it, I wouldn't have used it in the first place. Wink

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And what it wouldn't be, it would.
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