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Reply #60 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

Oh yes.

Chatting them up, hey?

Chasing that Muslim camel toe?

Muslim women are very hard to talk to. They are taught not to talk to strange men. Especially men who aren't Muslim. My next door neighbour is muslim. So are many of my workmates. Turkish people are the ones I've gotten closest to. I've known Egyptians, Lebanese, Turks. Most are nice people. Some hate our guts and I've met a few of them. You have to be very careful around Lebanese. I talk to muslim workmates mostly everyday. Do you??

Yes. Every single (work) day.

Moreover, I talk to my Muslim neighbours most days.

I don't hate muslim people. Lebanese are family people first, both Christian and Muslim. Then their religion is second. Everybody else doesn't mean that much to them. Some are nice but there's always a barrier with them. They love money which is status to them and are always doing their best to get it. Being poorly educated and loving money is a bad combination. They are always loud and outgoing but I'm always careful around them. The muslim issue is a big thing in Sydney. There are big issues within the communities and with other communities. I hear something everyday . It's an on the ground problem which the media makes worse.

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Reply #61 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 4:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

This proves that not all Muslims have violent and evil intentions.

I agree that a large majority do ...

Seriously?

A large majority?

What makes you think that?

In the middle east, those who have ties or are a part of the groups such as the Taliban, Al Quaeda and ISIS...

What makes me think this?

A group such as ISIS would not pose such a threat and would not be in existence to this day if not for the financial support and the amount of people they have recruited to their cause.

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Reply #62 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

In the middle east, those who have ties or are a part of the groups such as the Taliban, Al Quaeda and ISIS...

What makes me think this?

A group such as ISIS would not pose such a threat......

ISIS ISLAM is the - source - of the threat.

It is ISLAM which is the 'motivator' of moslem violence.

'The lure of ISIS', comes from the promises, made by ISLAM, to its fighters.

It is the prospect of Paradise and all of those virgins that are on offer, that is the lure - promises that made in Allah's religion, to the moslem individual.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. "
Koran 9.111

v. 9.111, in its guarantee of paradise to those who "fight in His cause, and slay and are slain" in Allah's cause, is clearly encouraging the martyrdom of moslems, in 'the Cause of Allah'.

Their reward, is in paradise.

Suicide bombing, anyone?

If 'the moslem' ever has an 'opportunity', to fight in Allah's cause, then Allah's religion tells him, that 'the moslem' has an obligation to Allah, to fight.

Below - a respected moslem scholar urging moslems, in the UK, to maintain a deceitful relationship with the UK non-moslem community, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems].

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Reply #63 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 6:56pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

This proves that not all Muslims have violent and evil intentions.

I agree that a large majority do ...

Seriously?

A large majority?

What makes you think that?

In the middle east, those who have ties or are a part of the groups such as the Taliban, Al Quaeda and ISIS...

What makes me think this?

A group such as ISIS would not pose such a threat and would not be in existence to this day if not for the financial support and the amount of people they have recruited to their cause.

There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and you believe that "a large majority ... have violent and evil intentions".

Get off the grass. Roll Eyes

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Reply #64 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

This proves that not all Muslims have violent and evil intentions.

I agree that a large majority do ...

Seriously?

A large majority?

What makes you think that?

In the middle east, those who have ties or are a part of the groups such as the Taliban, Al Quaeda and ISIS...

What makes me think this?

A group such as ISIS would not pose such a threat and would not be in existence to this day if not for the financial support and the amount of people they have recruited to their cause.

There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and you believe that "a large majority ... have violent and evil intentions".

Get off the grass. Roll Eyes

Haven't touched grass in a very long time, Greg. Wink

Does it really matter?

It isn't like I'm saying all of them are like that. Okay, maybe not a "large majority"... but maybe too many of them. Think about it -- if there wasn't a fair amount of Islamic people fighting for extremist causes, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?

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Reply #65 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

This tactic isn't exclusive to Islam, Yadda. Political powers use it as well.

It's a very effective tactic, but this is one individual; my point is, does every single Muslim think like this? Can that be proved?

I certainly won't be conforming to Islam and I doubt very much it will get that far. Our pollies are stupid, but that stupid? Wink

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Reply #66 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

... a bag full of pizza shapes and coke. I didn't think they ate those imperialist titbits.

What made you think that?

If I hated a country I wouldn't eat their food. That's just me.

What makes you think that she hates this country?

No, America. In relation to the bag full of coke zero she had and the nikes. It just find it funny how fundamental Islam denounces the west but suck every drop of goodness out of it.

What makes you think that she's an American hating fundamentalist?

Just a hunch.

At least you're honest about your ignorance.

See I actually live with islam. In fact I live in the highest Muslim area in Australia. You don't. In my experience ( which is greater than yours) women in burqas and nijabs are a little more staunch than your average muslim.

Homo, Roti Hill.has bugger all Muslims and you know it. It was founded by Curries, and you know this too.

The only Muslims you know are the ones you don’t even know are Muslims.

Cunning, no?

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Reply #67 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 7:43pm

Soren wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

Islam is a totalitarian ideology. It aims to establish dominance across the globe, to have sharia law as the law of every land.

Why is it more acceptable and deserving of accommodation that any other totalitarian ideology?

Please explain.

Because Gud loves homos.

Hates tabouli, loves homos.

Jolly world, eh?

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Reply #68 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:43pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

This tactic isn't exclusive to Islam, Yadda. Political powers use it as well.

It's a very effective tactic, but this is one individual;

my point is, does every single Muslim think like this? Can that be proved?

Freedumb,

'does every single Muslim think like this?' ???????????

!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freedumb,

You are referring to a 'moslem', as though a 'moslem', was 'a blank piece of paper' !

That shocks me!!!!

Freedumb,

What do you think that a 'moslem' is ?

What do you think that a 'moslem' 'thinks' ?

Freedumb,

Is the woman who lives next door to you a 'moslem', because she dresses 'like a moslem', or perhaps, because she tells you that she is a 'moslem' ?

Freedumb,

Is the woman who lives next door to you a 'moslem', because she declares;

"Hey!!!! I'm a moslem!!

???

Freedumb,

Is the woman who lives next door to you STILL a 'moslem', if she declares;

"Hey!!!! I'm a moslem!!

But i have absolutely no idea what the laws and tenets of my faith declare, and what those laws and tenets require of me!

HONEST!!"

i

Freedumb,

Do you believe, that moslems - who live in Australia - do not worship Allah, AND, revere Mohammed ???

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

From ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

One of the posters on this thread said ; "There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world."

Freedumb,

What do you believe, that those moslems 1.6 billion believe [i.e. which makes them moslems] ?

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Reply #70 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:46pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

This proves that not all Muslims have violent and evil intentions.

I agree that a large majority do ...

Seriously?

A large majority?

What makes you think that?

In the middle east, those who have ties or are a part of the groups such as the Taliban, Al Quaeda and ISIS...

What makes me think this?

A group such as ISIS would not pose such a threat and would not be in existence to this day if not for the financial support and the amount of people they have recruited to their cause.

Yet, Freedumb who are their main victims in the Middle East? Muslims who don't support them or accept their views about the religion they share. I'd suggest they have a minority of willing supporters only slightly larger than their own numbers. There is a larger group of unwilling supporters though.

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Reply #71 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:46pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

This proves that not all Muslims have violent and evil intentions.

I agree that a large majority do ...

Seriously?

A large majority?

What makes you think that?

In the middle east, those who have ties or are a part of the groups such as the Taliban, Al Quaeda and ISIS...

What makes me think this?

A group such as ISIS would not pose such a threat and would not be in existence to this day if not for the financial support and the amount of people they have recruited to their cause.

Yet, Freedumb who are their main victims in the Middle East? Muslims who don't support them or accept their views about the religion they share. I'd suggest they have a minority of willing supporters only slightly larger than their own numbers. There is a larger group of unwilling supporters though.

I agree, and a percentage of who join them probably do so to avoid getting killed. Fear-mongering is a very effective tool of control.. just look at the phobia in these forums. Wink

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Reply #72 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:23pm

Yadda I am well aware that Muslims believe in Allah and all of that jazz...

But as I have stated in another post "Just because people are pledged to a particular religion it doesn't mean they comply with it."

Also, people have their own interpretations of what is written in these "sacred tomes". When people didn't like what was written in it, but still wanted a place in God's holy world, they changed it.

I've also read somewhere that the Koran has different translations or editions... if I'm wrong, let me know.

Why do you think there are so many different Christian denominations? King Henry the VIII created his own branch simply so he could divorce his wife and marry somebody else.

There are probably a crap tonne of different spiritual beliefs/school of thoughts out there that don't exist today because the catholic church laid waste to it -- they didn't conform to their interpretations, so they were "heretics" and had to die. Ever heard of the cathars? Not many people have because the beloved catholic church destroyed a lot of history.

This situation is very much the same today -- extremists are trying to abolish Muslims who don't conform, and they want to abolish westerners and everybody else as well. They clearly haven't evolved from the barbaric behaviour of the older days, where as other religions have. Again, it's about the people and their obsessive, extremist beliefs -- NOT the Muslims as a whole.

But of course, typing this out is like trying to get blood out of stone. Cheesy

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Reply #73 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:34pm

Freedumb wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Yadda I am well aware that Muslims believe in Allah and all of that jazz...

But as I have stated in another post "Just because people are pledged to a particular religion it doesn't mean they comply with it."

Also, people have their own interpretations of what is written in these "sacred tomes". When people didn't like what was written in it, but still wanted a place in God's holy world, they changed it.

I've also read somewhere that the Koran has different translations or editions... if I'm wrong, let me know.

Why do you think there are so many different Christian denominations? King Henry the VIII created his own branch simply so he could divorce his wife and marry somebody else.

There are probably a crap tonne of different spiritual beliefs/school of thoughts out there that don't exist today because the catholic church laid waste to it -- they didn't conform to their interpretations, so they were "heretics" and had to die. Ever heard of the cathars? Not many people have because the beloved catholic church destroyed a lot of history.

This situation is very much the same today -- extremists are trying to abolish Muslims who don't conform, and they want to abolish westerners and everybody else as well. They clearly haven't evolved from the barbaric behaviour of the older days, where as other religions have. Again, it's about the people and their obsessive, extremist beliefs -- NOT the Muslims as a whole.

But of course, typing this out is like trying to get blood out of stone. Cheesy

Yadda and Co. are religious zealots and bigots Freedumb. You won't get any admission on their part of any wrong doing by their pet religion. They are the perfect mirror images of those Muslims they claim to be opposed to. If you just got them to change the Guernseys they wore, they'd fit perfectly into the line up of IS, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-Shabab or any of the other Islamic extremist groups. Grin

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Reply #74 - Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:39pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Yadda I am well aware that Muslims believe in Allah and all of that jazz...

But as I have stated in another post "Just because people are pledged to a particular religion it doesn't mean they comply with it."

Also, people have their own interpretations of what is written in these "sacred tomes". When people didn't like what was written in it, but still wanted a place in God's holy world, they changed it.

I've also read somewhere that the Koran has different translations or editions... if I'm wrong, let me know.

Why do you think there are so many different Christian denominations? King Henry the VIII created his own branch simply so he could divorce his wife and marry somebody else.

There are probably a crap tonne of different spiritual beliefs/school of thoughts out there that don't exist today because the catholic church laid waste to it -- they didn't conform to their interpretations, so they were "heretics" and had to die. Ever heard of the cathars? Not many people have because the beloved catholic church destroyed a lot of history.

This situation is very much the same today -- extremists are trying to abolish Muslims who don't conform, and they want to abolish westerners and everybody else as well. They clearly haven't evolved from the barbaric behaviour of the older days, where as other religions have. Again, it's about the people and their obsessive, extremist beliefs -- NOT the Muslims as a whole.

But of course, typing this out is like trying to get blood out of stone. Cheesy

Yadda and Co. are religious zealots and bigots Freedumb. You won't get any admission on their part of any wrong doing by their pet religion. They are the perfect mirror images of those Muslims they claim to be opposed to. If you just got them to change the Guernseys they wore, they'd fit perfectly into the line up of IS, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-Shabab or any of the other Islamic extremist groups. Grin

Yes, but Ozpol internet terrorism isn't something to have a phobia about. Wink

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