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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams. Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:37am So the Abbott mob want dams dug losing agricultural land. Dams built without any idea of how weather patterns will change because of AGW. Dams built with no idea of how to fund them. Dam the Abbott mob are Dam Stupid ! Lets Dig a hole and wait for it to rain. Or better, pump up polluted aquifers, polluted by coal seam gas fracking.
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Reply #1 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:42am

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

So the Abbott mob want dams dug losing agricultural land. Dams built without any idea of how weather patterns will change because of AGW. Dams built with no idea of how to fund them.

Dam the Abbott mob are Dam Stupid !
Lets Dig a hole and wait for it to rain. Or better, pump up polluted aquifers, polluted by coal seam gas fracking.

Considering we face a future of less and less rain fall, and the rain that does fall won't actually fill the dams, what do you think Australia should do to secure future water supplies?

How much "agricultural land", will we lose due to dams being built?

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams. Reply #2 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:58am I support food and water security. I don't support poxing the landscape on a whim and without scientific studies on human caused climate change and changing rain patterns. Who in their right mind will throw money down the drain financing white elephant dams all over the place.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams. Reply #3 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:00am Green has been told to attack any dam-building on principle. It might injure the habitat of some frog or skink. On the other hand it might contribute to the agricultural progress in this country which will feed a lot of Asia and provide ongoing employment. Recognise that Greens are a barrier to progress!
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Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams.
Reply #4 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

I support food and water security. I don't support poxing the landscape on a whim and without scientific studies on human caused climate change and changing rain patterns.

Who in their right mind will throw money down the drain financing white elephant dams all over the place.

So you've got nothing but a rant.....ok.....life is normal....carry on.

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Reply #5 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:22am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Green has been told to attack any dam-building on principle.

It might injure the habitat of some frog or skink. On the other hand it might contribute to the agricultural progress in this country which will feed a lot of Asia and provide ongoing employment.

Recognise that Greens are a barrier to progress!

What progress?
Unsustainable development using old methods shown to have failed in the past!
Its stupidity/conservatism to just repeat mistakes continually.

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Reply #6 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:28am

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

I support food and water security. I don't support poxing the landscape on a whim and without scientific studies on human caused climate change and changing rain patterns.

Who in their right mind will throw money down the drain financing white elephant dams all over the place.

So you've got nothing but a rant.....ok.....life is normal....carry on.

Far from nothing. Why do you oppose building dams in areas of decent rainfall in 20 plus years rather than areas that soon will be new deserts?

Why are you guys so against applying science in planning infrastructure.

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Reply #7 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:30am

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Green has been told to attack any dam-building on principle.

It might injure the habitat of some frog or skink. On the other hand it might contribute to the agricultural progress in this country which will feed a lot of Asia and provide ongoing employment.

Recognise that Greens are a barrier to progress!

What progress?
Unsustainable development using old methods shown to have failed in the past!
Its stupidity/conservatism to just repeat mistakes continually.

How has the MDB catchment been a failure? We could never have grown as a nation with out it. The MDB catchment is at 65% at the start of summer, how is that bad?

What is your alternative?

Where would we source water for agriculture from? Would you just deny water to our agriculture and import all our food?

What is your alternative?

Huh

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Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams.
Reply #8 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:32am

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

I support food and water security. I don't support poxing the landscape on a whim and without scientific studies on human caused climate change and changing rain patterns.

Who in their right mind will throw money down the drain financing white elephant dams all over the place.

So you've got nothing but a rant.....ok.....life is normal....carry on.

Far from nothing. Why do you oppose building dams in areas of decent rainfall in 20 plus years rather than areas that soon will be new deserts?

Why are you guys so against applying science in planning infrastructure.

You 1st (i made no claims at all)

Considering we face a future of less and less rain fall, and the rain that does fall won't actually fill the dams, what do you think Australia should do to secure future water supplies?

How much "agricultural land", will we lose due to dams being built?

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Reply #9 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:33am

I'd like to see a link to the plan so I can get a handle on exactly where to rip it apart.. I recall clearly the past furore about Queenslund dams stopping water flown down the Darling and thus cleaning out the Murray Darling system.... and the similar furore around northern NSW inland dams doing the same...

Thing is - all the furore was predicated on the long-running drought (from which we here personally suffered a great deal - it could drive a farmer to suicide watching the rain pattern approach and then divert somewhere else all the time...), and once we had a couple of years of good rains the entire system flushed out anyway.

As I said - need the plan... see where these are planned and so forth...

Better to open up the GAIA I to the ocean and install The Inland Sea... climate change to inland Australia...

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Reply #10 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:43am

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

I support food and water security. I don't support poxing the landscape on a whim and without scientific studies on human caused climate change and changing rain patterns.

Who in their right mind will throw money down the drain financing white elephant dams all over the place.

So you've got nothing but a rant.....ok.....life is normal....carry on.

Far from nothing. Why do you oppose building dams in areas of decent rainfall in 20 plus years rather than areas that soon will be new deserts?

Why are you guys so against applying science in planning infrastructure.

You 1st (i made no claims at all)

Considering we face a future of less and less rain fall, and the rain that does fall won't actually fill the dams, what do you think Australia should do to secure future water supplies?

How much "agricultural land", will we lose due to dams being built?

Since this seems more of a thought bubble than an actual policy, how much agricultural production and farming land is unknown.

As for water security, efficiency should be top of the list and dams down the bottom.

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Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams.
Reply #11 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Green has been told to attack any dam-building on principle.

It might injure the habitat of some frog or skink. On the other hand it might contribute to the agricultural progress in this country which will feed a lot of Asia and provide ongoing employment.

Recognise that Greens are a barrier to progress!

What progress?
Unsustainable development using old methods shown to have failed in the past!
Its stupidity/conservatism to just repeat mistakes continually.

How has the MDB catchment been a failure? We could never have grown as a nation with out it. The MDB catchment is at 65% at the start of summer, how is that bad?

What is your alternative?

Where would we source water for agriculture from? Would you just deny water to our agriculture and import all our food?

What is your alternative?

Huh

Changing our food requirements is a good place to start. Shift from high water use meat to low water use food like fungus and insects.

Shifting from high water use crops like cotton to fibres like hemp that grow on marginal land with less water requirements.

Recycling water

etc

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Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams.
Reply #12 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Green has been told to attack any dam-building on principle.

It might injure the habitat of some frog or skink. On the other hand it might contribute to the agricultural progress in this country which will feed a lot of Asia and provide ongoing employment.

Recognise that Greens are a barrier to progress!

What progress?
Unsustainable development using old methods shown to have failed in the past!
Its stupidity/conservatism to just repeat mistakes continually.

How has the MDB catchment been a failure? We could never have grown as a nation with out it. The MDB catchment is at 65% at the start of summer, how is that bad?

What is your alternative?

Where would we source water for agriculture from? Would you just deny water to our agriculture and import all our food?

What is your alternative?

Huh

Changing our food requirements is a good place to start. Shift from high water use meat to low water use food like fungus and insects.

Shifting from high water use crops like cotton to fibres like hemp that grow on marginal land with less water requirements.

Recycling water

etc

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Reply #13 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:58am

The MDB is/was a long term failure for one reason - Rising Salinity from excess pumping of irrigation water onto land and excess catchments and the concurrent demolition of salt sucking trees such as Mallee....

These actions serve to raise the water table, and with it the salinity... which is why, when you fly over the Lower Murray, you see a massive grey area of dead land, which then reflects the sun from salt deposits....

So - I would seriously like to see what the overall plan is.... and I still say a better long-term option is the GAIA Mk 1, which would provide not only drainage of salt, but also a micro-climate...

ADDS:- Oh - and what's going to happen when leaching of fracking materials and mining tailings etc begins and permeates into water supplies?

There are many issues that need to be looked at here - not just some simplistic concept of digging wells for the global village....

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Re: Dam Abbott's Unfunded Dams.
Reply #14 - Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:59am

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Green has been told to attack any dam-building on principle.

It might injure the habitat of some frog or skink. On the other hand it might contribute to the agricultural progress in this country which will feed a lot of Asia and provide ongoing employment.

Recognise that Greens are a barrier to progress!

What progress?
Unsustainable development using old methods shown to have failed in the past!
Its stupidity/conservatism to just repeat mistakes continually.

How has the MDB catchment been a failure? We could never have grown as a nation with out it. The MDB catchment is at 65% at the start of summer, how is that bad?

What is your alternative?

Where would we source water for agriculture from? Would you just deny water to our agriculture and import all our food?

What is your alternative?

Huh

Changing our food requirements is a good place to start. Shift from high water use meat to low water use food like fungus and insects.

Shifting from high water use crops like cotton to fibres like hemp that grow on marginal land with less water requirements.

Recycling water

etc

OK so you want to change the diet of the nation - where's your thought out plan for that?!

How much water does hemp use per hectare V's cotton?

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