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Reply #76 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 9:59pm

Soren wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

I am a student of master Light - not a puppet.

So, you're his sock puppet then, Bobby? How interesting. Roll Eyes

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"Falsehoods"? I merely took your comments to heart, Bobby. So, who's the sock and who's the hand inside? You or "Master Light" whom you seem to spend so much time interpreting for? Roll Eyes

Cheeses, you are dishonest, Brain.
Bobby says he is a pupil not a puppet - and you spinelessly interpret it as being a sock puppet.

There is simply no limit to your dishonesty. It is your principal policy.

Dishonesty plus cancelling debate by bigotry-mongering - you in a nutshell.

Brian can't help it.

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Reply #77 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 10:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

How devout are Muslims, Soren?

Average attendance at Mosques in Australia on a Friday every week is below 40%. Average attendance at Churches in Australia on Sundays is about 30%. How does an attendance 10% greater suddenly turn all Muslims into raving beheading demanding, fatwa decreeing unhumourous people? Roll Eyes

Obviously, the other 60% of Muslims who don't attend their Mosques regularly are not as devout as you appear to believe, Soren.

Soren, your Islamophobia is becoming a serious condition. I'd highly recommend you seek help with it. Seriously. People who are suffering from the paranoid delusions that you display should get help. Roll Eyes

Islam and Christianity are vastly and fundamentally different. Look at the examples of Jesus and Mohammed to see the diametrically opposite direction of Christianity and Islam propelling or urging their followers.

To live up to Jesus's example is very, very hard. To be like Muhammed is as easy as shitting in your pants - it requires no effort at all, you open your bowels/ recite the mantra about allah and Mohammed as his last prophet and you are done. You need declare that you are a righteous and you are in. What you actually think is immaterial. It's all performative, it's all show for the clan, tribe, sword wielding enforcer.

To give your life - that requires actual f**ing sacrifice and conviction.

Which one is WORTH trying to emulate, Brain? i

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Reply #78 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 10:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

I am a student of master Light - not a puppet.

So, you're his sock puppet then, Bobby? How interesting. Roll Eyes

forgiven for falsehoods

"Falsehoods"? I merely took your comments to heart, Bobby. So, who's the sock and who's the hand inside? You or "Master Light" whom you seem to spend so much time interpreting for? Roll Eyes

Cheeses, you are dishonest, Brain.
Bobby says he is a pupil not a puppet - and you spinelessly interpret it as being a sock puppet.

There is simply no limit to your dishonesty. It is your principal policy.

Dishonesty plus cancelling debate by bigotry-mongering - you in a nutshell.

Brian can't help it.

Well, he should. Either he is a grown man or a f**ng imbecile, to be treated as such.

What are ya, Brain, man or Igor?

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Reply #79 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 11:49pm

Panther wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

ColdFact wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 8:43am:

Multiculturalism is a Complete & Total Failure in every advanced country it has been tried.

So whaddyado; close down all the Chinese Restaurants (who cares I prefer Thai and Indian anyway)?

Then you have to deal with the people. Maybe pin yellow stars on them and freight them out in box cars to internment camps (no that's been done before).
I give up. Any ideas?

No, no need to be so harsh there.....Welcome the immigrant into our society on the provision he respects the privilege he is being offered, to live in Australia, the privilege of living in our society by joining in that society & accepting our ways, our culture, our laws, & our language.

Let him come to know as long as he is willing to accept the offer of residency here, we will help him learn what it is to become Australian, & we will help him achieve that goal of becoming Australian, with ongoing Community Support & Education.

He needs to be helped to understand that living here in Australia is a privilege & not a right .... a privilege offered to him through the generous hearts of the Australian people, but again -- living here is not his right.

If he wishes to remain living here he needs to blend in.....melt into our society, become a part of our wonderful society, not an exception separate to it......sadly, the only alternative to joining our society ---becoming Australian -- is to look for another place to live.....Australia owes him absolutely nothing but a chance to join in with us, & become Australian too, just like the generations before us did.

So, I take it you'd send home all the Poms who came to Australia and who never became citizens?

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Reply #80 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 11:58pm

Soren wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 10:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

How devout are Muslims, Soren?

Average attendance at Mosques in Australia on a Friday every week is below 40%. Average attendance at Churches in Australia on Sundays is about 30%. How does an attendance 10% greater suddenly turn all Muslims into raving beheading demanding, fatwa decreeing unhumourous people? Roll Eyes

Obviously, the other 60% of Muslims who don't attend their Mosques regularly are not as devout as you appear to believe, Soren.

Soren, your Islamophobia is becoming a serious condition. I'd highly recommend you seek help with it. Seriously. People who are suffering from the paranoid delusions that you display should get help. Roll Eyes

Islam and Christianity are vastly and fundamentally different. Look at the examples of Jesus and Mohammed to see the diametrically opposite direction of Christianity and Islam propelling or urging their followers.

To live up to Jesus's example is very, very hard. To be like Muhammed is as easy as shitting in your pants - it requires no effort at all, you open your bowels/ recite the mantra about allah and Mohammed as his last prophet and you are done. You need declare that you are a righteous and you are in. What you actually think is immaterial. It's all performative, it's all show for the clan, tribe, sword wielding enforcer.

To give your life - that requires actual f**ing sacrifice and conviction.

Which one is WORTH trying to emulate, Brain?

I see you avoided my question, Soren. How bloody unsurprising.

So, how does a 10% greater regular attendance at Mosque over that of Church make all Muslims suddenly so devout that they will become "raving beheading demanding, fatwa decreeing unhumourous people?"

The reality is that the majority of Christians and Muslims, despite your bigoted viewpoint aren't actually that much different in their attitudes towards religion. Like in any group there are the devout and the lackadaisical, the backsliders and the one's who just don't give a toss and only use the label when the Census form appears on their doorstep. They'll mouth the words but carry on their lives the way they want to.

You, however prefer to erect this strawman view of Muslims. I've spoken about it frequently before. It allows you to create something which is more easily knocked down rather than actually arguing against the reality of what Islam in Australia is. It isn't monolithic, most Muslims don't attend Mosque regularly, there are many different types of Muslim and most of them don't support the radical extremist view you claim they do. Face it, you're so completely out of touch with reality you may as well trot off to Syria, put a turban on your head and join all the others that share your beliefs about Islam. Roll Eyes

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Reply #81 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 4:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 11:49pm:

So, I take it you'd send home all the Poms who came to Australia and who never became citizens?

Nope, unless they had no desire to become Australian......Identify themselves as Australian in culture,
& displaying an average, to an above average, level of National pride, not pride in where they came from, but pride in where they are -- where they intend on living if permitted.

Citizenship in & of itself, doesn't make one Australian, nor is it required,
but it would be reasonable to think it would a logical next step in the total transitioning experience.

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Reply #82 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 4:56am

Panther wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

ColdFact wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 8:43am:

Multiculturalism is a Complete & Total Failure in every advanced country it has been tried.

So whaddyado; close down all the Chinese Restaurants (who cares I prefer Thai and Indian anyway)?

Then you have to deal with the people. Maybe pin yellow stars on them and freight them out in box cars to internment camps (no that's been done before).
I give up. Any ideas?

Welcome the immigrant into our society on the provision he respects the privilege he is being offered, to live in Australia, the privilege of living in our society by joining in that society & accepting our ways, our culture, our laws, & our language.

Still sounds like Nazi Germany in the 30s. Aside from the rhetoric, how would you legislate and enforce these conditions? And could you specifically enlighten me on the Australian culture that you have in mind Are we talking compulsory Holden car ownership and meat pie lunches; compulsory heavy drinking and gambling habits; compulsory membership of a cricket club, or mindless sun-baking and surfing on a shark infested beach?

See if you can articulate an argument without resorting to rants about media manifestations like 'terrorism', 'the war on terror', Sharia law, and other such delusions.

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Reply #83 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 5:51am

ColdFact wrote on Oct 27^th, 2014 at 4:56am:

Panther wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

ColdFact wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 8:43am:

Multiculturalism is a Complete & Total Failure in every advanced country it has been tried.

So whaddyado; close down all the Chinese Restaurants (who cares I prefer Thai and Indian anyway)?

Then you have to deal with the people. Maybe pin yellow stars on them and freight them out in box cars to internment camps (no that's been done before).
I give up. Any ideas?

Welcome the immigrant into our society on the provision he respects the privilege he is being offered, to live in Australia, the privilege of living in our society by joining in that society & accepting our ways, our culture, our laws, & our language.

Still sounds like Nazi Germany in the 30s. Aside from the rhetoric, how would you legislate and enforce these conditions? And could you specifically enlighten me on the Australian culture that you have in mind Are we talking compulsory Holden car ownership and meat pie lunches; compulsory heavy drinking and gambling habits; compulsory membership of a cricket club, or mindless sun-baking and surfing on a shark infested beach?

See if you can articulate an argument without resorting to rants about media manifestations like 'terrorism', 'the war on terror', Sharia law, and other such delusions.

Look in the mirror......It is you that is delusional, not I.

I won't honor your other nonsensical, frothing from the mouth, agenda ridden remarks with a response, for they aren't worthy of one/any.

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Reply #84 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 8:37am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 11:58pm:

I see you avoided my question, Soren. How bloody unsurprising.

So, how does a 10% greater regular attendance at Mosque over that of Church make all Muslims suddenly so devout that they will become "raving beheading demanding, fatwa decreeing unhumourous people?"

Who, other than you, has said anything like what you are quoting? Who said, other than you, that the difference between 30 and 40 % matters?

You make up shite an expect me to take you seriously.

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Reply #85 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 8:46am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 11:58pm:

The reality is that the majority of Christians and Muslims, despite your bigoted viewpoint aren't actually that much different in their attitudes towards religion. Like in any group there are the devout and the lackadaisical, the backsliders and the one's who just don't give a toss and only use the label when the Census form appears on their doorstep. They'll mouth the words but carry on their lives the way they want to.

You, however prefer to erect this strawman view of Muslims. I've spoken about it frequently before. It allows you to create something which is more easily knocked down rather than actually arguing against the reality of what Islam in Australia is. It isn't monolithic, most Muslims don't attend Mosque regularly, there are many different types of Muslim and most of them don't support the radical extremist view you claim they do. Face it, you're so completely out of touch with reality you may as well trot off to Syria, put a turban on your head and join all the others that share your beliefs about Islam. Roll Eyes

And who is talking about people who do not believe in or take Islam seriously? Not me.

You trot them out every time Islam is identified as the core ideology of the Islamists. "There are people who do not believe in Islam", you say, as if that somehow addressed the point.

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Reply #86 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 11:25am

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Welcome the immigrant into our society on the provision he respects the privilege he is being offered, to live in Australia, the privilege of living in our society by joining in that society & accepting our ways, our culture, our laws, & our language.

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Still sounds like Nazi Germany in the 30s. Aside from the rhetoric, how would you legislate and enforce these conditions? And could you specifically enlighten me on the Australian culture that you have in mind Are we talking compulsory Holden car ownership and meat pie lunches; compulsory heavy drinking and gambling habits; compulsory membership of a cricket club, or mindless sun-baking and surfing on a shark infested beach?

See if you can articulate an argument without resorting to rants about media manifestations like 'terrorism', 'the war on terror', Sharia law, and other such delusions.

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Look in the mirror......It is you that is delusional, not I.

I won't honor your other nonsensical, frothing from the mouth, agenda ridden remarks with a response, for they aren't worthy of one/any.
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Fail.

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Reply #88 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

Panther wrote on Oct 27^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

ColdFact wrote on Oct 27^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

Fail.

Yes, you most certainly did --- And that's a cold fact!

Before you go, I'm still curious as to what culture you would force-feed to the multitudes. Give us an example (if you can).

And whilst you're at it do a little research about how the one million Australians living overseas are changing their cultural and linguistic ways. I know it's a big ask, but I've had a hard day and I need a laugh.

Here, I'll even help you: you could say that most Australians living and working in Asian countries are...um... Grin

...learning the language Grin

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You're not one of those who mind-numbingly howls "When you're in Australia, speak Australian (as if there was such a language) are you? Grin

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Reply #89 - Oct 27^th, 2014 at 11:59pm

Panther wrote on Oct 27^th, 2014 at 4:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 11:49pm:

So, I take it you'd send home all the Poms who came to Australia and who never became citizens?

Nope, unless they had no desire to become Australian......Identify themselves as Australian in culture,
& displaying an average, to an above average, level of National pride, not pride in where they came from, but pride in where they are -- where they intend on living if permitted.

Citizenship in & of itself, doesn't make one Australian, nor is it required,
but it would be reasonable to think it would a logical next step in the total transitioning experience.

So, the fact that they have never become Australian citizens, despite living here often for many decades, forced the Australian government to accord to them voting and social security rights and even have dedicated Shops and shopping aisles to their cultural needs, you let them off?

You don't think that's a bit hypocritical? Roll Eyes

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