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Oct 22nd, 2014 at 7:50pm
 


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Asia Bibi was harvesting berries in Pakistan five years ago when she took the drink of water that could cost her her life.

A Christian in the Muslim-dominated and increasingly intolerant nation, the mother of five was quickly assailed by the other women working the field in a tiny village in the Punjab province. First they said they would not drink from the same water bucket as a Christian. Later, they told police Bibi had insulted the Muslim Prophet Mohammad. The crime, blasphemy, is punishable by death.

Bibi, who denies insulting Mohammad and maintains her co-workers falsely accused her, was convicted in 2010. Last week, despite an international outcry, a court in Lahore upheld the verdict and affirmed the sentence that Bibi be hanged. The 50-year-old has 30 days to appeal to the nation's highest court.

“This is a grave injustice,” said David Griffiths, Amnesty International’s deputy Asia Pacific director. “Asia Bibi should never have been convicted in the first place – still less sentenced to death – and the fact that she could pay with her life for an argument is sickening.”

Griffiths said the blasphemy laws being used to prosecute Bibi violate international law.

Christians make up less than 2 percent of Pakistan's 180 million population, and they have been persecuted at an alarming rate in recent years as the Taliban and other Islamist groups have become more powerful. Qanta Ahmed, a British-born Pakistani human rights activist and author of "In the Land of Invisible Women," said those accused of blasphemy are usually dealt with by mobs and not the justice system.

"The vast majority of those being accused of blasphemy don't even make it to execution," Ahmed said. "They are usually lynched or murdered in custody."

To date, hundreds of Christians have been accused of blasphemy, and at least 12 were given the death penalty for insulting the Prophet, according to Amnesty International. This is in addition to the systematic genocidal killing of Christians by the Pakistani Taliban, including 75 Christians killed in a suicide attack at a historic Pakistani church in Peshawar one year ago.

Bibi’s case has garnered international attention, including from Pope Benedict XVI, who publicly called for the charges against her to be dismissed, as well as U.S. lawmakers, such as Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and many international Christian and religious freedom advocacy groups. In Pakistan, two advocates for Bibi --Christian minorities minister Shahbaz Bhatti and politician Salmaan Taseerwere -- were killed for speaking up for her. Bibi's family has gone into hiding due to receiving death threats and believes she would be killed if she were to be released from prison.

"Unless there is outside intervention, this woman will lose her life," Ahmed said. "The international community and the UN as well, empowers Pakistan. Any criticism of these practices is seen as Islamophobia.

"I don't think it's about the Christians or Christian beliefs," Ahmed continued. "This is about the majority, the ferocious Islamists who are enormously intolerant and when you're intolerant who do you target? The vulnerable, disenfranchised, oppressed members of society."


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/21/pakistani-court-upholds-death-sentence-f...

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Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 11:41pm
 
It is indeed an injustice.  Of course, I put it down more to ignorant, ill-educated tribal Pakistanis than necessarily because of Islam.   Roll Eyes
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...........Later, they told police Bibi had insulted the Muslim Prophet Mohammad. The crime, blasphemy, is punishable by death.....


It is all about islam
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Reply #3 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am
 
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.
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Reply #5 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Only in.Pakistan, they get reported for blasphemy, which carries the death penalty. It’s an example of one of the most corrupt laws on the planet. No doubt it was originally intended for the government’s enemies, but before long, it came to be used by the public at large in feuds, jealousies, and disputes over land and property. It’s a law seriously opposed by the judiciary, but every politician who promotes its repeal seems to get assassinated.
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Reply #7 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 6:37pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 5:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Only in.Pakistan, they get reported for blasphemy, which carries the death penalty. It’s an example of one of the most corrupt laws on the planet. No doubt it was originally intended for the government’s enemies, but before long, it came to be used by the public at large in feuds, jealousies, and disputes over land and property. It’s a law seriously opposed by the judiciary, but every politician who promotes its repeal seems to get assassinated.



And what is the sole reason for the very  existence of Pakistan?

Islam.

Be seated, PB.

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Reply #8 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 6:37pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 5:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Only in.Pakistan, they get reported for blasphemy, which carries the death penalty. It’s an example of one of the most corrupt laws on the planet. No doubt it was originally intended for the government’s enemies, but before long, it came to be used by the public at large in feuds, jealousies, and disputes over land and property. It’s a law seriously opposed by the judiciary, but every politician who promotes its repeal seems to get assassinated.



And what is the sole reason for the very  existence of Pakistan?

Islam.

Be seated, PB.



Remain standing, boy, you’re not done. What is the sole reason for the existence of India?

How about Amerika? Mother England? Denmark?

Islam,. Isn’t it.
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Reply #9 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Reminds me when america started slaughtering in Afghanistan, local afghans just dobbing on fellow countrymen claiming they were taliban to get money.
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Reply #10 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 7:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 5:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Only in.Pakistan, they get reported for blasphemy, which carries the death penalty. It’s an example of one of the most corrupt laws on the planet. No doubt it was originally intended for the government’s enemies, but before long, it came to be used by the public at large in feuds, jealousies, and disputes over land and property. It’s a law seriously opposed by the judiciary, but every politician who promotes its repeal seems to get assassinated.



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.......Only in.Pakistan, they get reported for blasphemy, which carries the death penalty......


in many Islamic countries the penalty is the same

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........It’s a law seriously opposed by the judiciary, but every politician who promotes its repeal seems to get assassinated. ........


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Reply #11 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
wally1 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 1:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Sounds more like village politics.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



the 'charge' was blasphemy, insulting moh.

it was not 'did not like the village'.



And do you really think she woke up one day and decided to start blaspheming, in public against Mohammed?  What's the betting she'd pissed off the local matriarch over some minor matter and the blasphemy charge was simply a way of getting back at her?  Villages and small towns are always rife with petty jealousies/arguments/feuds.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Reminds me when america started slaughtering in Afghanistan, local afghans just dobbing on fellow countrymen claiming they were taliban to get money.



Same think happened under the Phoenix Program in Vietnam during the war there.  Lots of local feuds settled, not many Communists killed (which was the objective of the program).   Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Oct 24th, 2014 at 3:33pm
 
The Pakistani blasphemy laws trully are abhorent and condemnable.

There is no excuse.
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..........With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case............

...........This clearly indicates that in a case such as this apostate who had insulted the Prophet (S), it is not obligatory to accept his repentance, rather it is permissible to kill him even if he comes repentant. ............

............Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir............



http://www.muftisays.com/blog/Seifeddine-M/3016_17-09-2012/ruling-on-one-who-ins...
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