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Question: Should it be illegal to criticise or mock religion in Aus?

Yes, it should be illegal.    
  1 (4.5%)
No, it should not.    
  21 (95.5%)




Total votes: 22
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Reply #60 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:56pm
 
I understand  Christianity is based on the the teachings of Christ. As far as I know he never taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity.

You're scared witless of an examination of muhammad's  teachings which cause terrorism.
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Reply #61 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:57pm
 
Moses: 99%+ of muslims cite the teachings of Muhammad to support their peaceful ways - but its the >1% who don't, who are the "true" muslims.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #62 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 4:00pm
 
Gandalf, for a start those muslims who commit atrocities in the name of allah are one hundred percent extolled in the qur'an.

If you accept the qur'an as it stands, you accept the terrorism it engenders.
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Reply #63 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 4:06pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
I understand  Christianity is based on the the teachings of Christ. As far as I know he never taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity.


He may not have but men definitely taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity and still do.

You're scared witless of an examination of Christianity's  teachings which cause terrorism.

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #64 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 4:14pm
 
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He may not have but men definitely taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity and still do.

You're scared witless of an examination of Christianity's  teachings which cause terrorism.



Do you haven any defence of muslim terrorists which is not based on lies?

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The doctrine of Christianity rejects workers of iniquities, why do you lie all the time?

That's right your afraid of examining the doctrine of islam which unequivocally urges muslims commit atrocities against their fellow man.
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Reply #65 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 4:41pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 4:14pm:
Hot breath wrote Quote:
He may not have but men definitely taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity and still do.

You're scared witless of an examination of Christianity's  teachings which cause terrorism.


Do you haven any defence of muslim terrorists which is not based on lies?


What in those two statements is a lie?   Are you denying the bloody history of Christianity?    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #66 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
You are oversimplifying my argument Gandalf.


Oh I know FD - when non-muslims chip away at our freedoms, its an incredibly complicated thing - far too complicated for me, as you have pointed out.

But of course when we want to accuse muslims of doing the same, we overgeneralise and simplify like there's no tomorrow.


Yes, far too complicated apparently. Do you still stand by this claim?

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A survey saying a massive majority of Australians want the government to place religion beyond criticism or mockery does... well... mean they support the government trying to place religion beyond criticism or mockery.


moses wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
The shame is that muslims and their apologists will go to any lengths to avoid the issue: devout muslim terrorists can and do justify their atrocities, by directly citing the teachings of muhammad.

To stop the terrorists you have to clean up the teachings of muhammad, since the muslims and their apologists are scared of this problem, mockery and exposure of the cult is the way to go


They are happy with the problem. It is the solution that scares them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
Moses: 99%+ of muslims cite the teachings of Muhammad to support their peaceful ways - but its the >1% who don't, who are the "true" muslims.


We have actual surveys of the opinions of Muslims from around the world, and they are not pretty.

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moses wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
I understand  Christianity is based on the the teachings of Christ. As far as I know he never taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity.


He may not have but men definitely taught men to commit atrocities in the name of Christianity and still do.

You're scared witless of an examination of Christianity's  teachings which cause terrorism.

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HB are you conceding that the teachings of Jesus and Muhammed are fundamentally different?
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Re: Australians want to ban mockery of religion
Reply #67 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:13pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
I understand  Christianity is based on the the teachings of Christ.


Sorry, why are you bringing up the teachings of Christ in response to.a question about the teachings of Moses?

Are you trying to pretend a certain.Jewish prophet didn’t exist?

I’d understand if you were known as Jesus.

But it’s a little odd for a chap who goes by the name of Moses, don’t you think?
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Reply #68 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 1:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:09pm:
HB are you conceding that the teachings of Jesus and Muhammed are fundamentally different?


Nope.  Both are Opiates of the Masses with a bloody history of using religious beliefs to justify atrocities FD.   I see little differences between the two in that respect.  Moses however, refuses to admit that some intepretations of Christianity and it's holy book are used to justify Terrorism for some reason, just as some interpretations of Islam are used to justify Terrorism.   Perhaps it's because he imbibes the power of his Poppy extract quite happily?  Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #69 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 6:21pm
 
Hot Breath & Karnal

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What in those two statements is a lie?   Are you denying the bloody history of Christianity?


In order to excuse and apologize for islamic terrorism,you are dishonestly trying to equate the teachings of Christianity and islam as equally malevolent.

You desperately trying to exonerate islamic doctrine which urges muslims to be terrorists.

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Sorry, why are you bringing up the teachings of Christ in response to.a question about the teachings of Moses?


Why are you being a dishonest fraud Karnal? It has been shown many times that the teachings of Christ say that Mosaic law is finalized, that man cannot justify themselves by the deeds of the law.

Oh that's right. you have to be dishonest in order to apologize for islamic terrorism
 

Meanwhile despite all the fraud and lying of muslims and their apologists, islamic doctrine has once again reared it's ugly head:

The Australian Federal Police say a number of Australians that were 'not on anyone's radar' managed to slip out of the country in the past few days to join jihadist group Islamic State. Updated: 6:17 am, Friday, 14 November 2014

Deplorably  muslims and their apologists  are showing their true colours and complete indifference to the growing number of Australian muslims taking up islamic terrorism.

muslims and their apologists deceitfully try to excuse the doctrine of islam which cause Australian muslims to travel overseas and become islamic terrorists. 
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Reply #70 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Nov 14th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:09pm:
HB are you conceding that the teachings of Jesus and Muhammed are fundamentally different?


Nope.  Both are Opiates of the Masses with a bloody history of using religious beliefs to justify atrocities FD.   I see little differences between the two in that respect.  Moses however, refuses to admit that some intepretations of Christianity and it's holy book are used to justify Terrorism for some reason, just as some interpretations of Islam are used to justify Terrorism.   Perhaps it's because he imbibes the power of his Poppy extract quite happily?  Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


You misunderstood the question HB. Try again.
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Reply #71 - Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:21pm
 
Gandalf do you think your behaviour here reflects well on Muslims? Do you think it will make it easier or harder for the next Muslim who tries to insist they share the mainstream view on freedom of speech, or that Muslims are not a threat to our freedom and human rights?

Spare a thought for the Muslims who are not among the tiny minority.
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Reply #72 - Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
Gandalf do you think your behaviour here reflects well on Muslims? Do you think it will make it easier or harder for the next Muslim who tries to insist they share the mainstream view on freedom of speech, or that Muslims are not a threat to our freedom and human rights?

Spare a thought for the Muslims who are not among the tiny minority.


Gandalf lost me as an honest player with his rediculous bullshit defence about mo being a pedo.  An honest thinker with a view to history which he how he tried to present himself would have just said, big mo as a warrior of his time would have rooted and raped chicks which by modern standards would cast him as a pedo, but no such charge or stigma existed at the time, and where young 12 and 13 year old girsl marrying was the norm. 

He could have captured the high ground by saying it is unfortunate that modern muslims take big mos example as an example to continue predation on young girls.

Instead there were pages of bullshit about dolls, and periods and interpretations, and what writings are considered legal, blah blah and hey look over there, they marry young as well. 

He is just an apologist for islam and everything is spun in that direction.  In his eyes islam can do no wrong.
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Reply #73 - Nov 18th, 2014 at 10:15pm
 
Datalife wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
Gandalf do you think your behaviour here reflects well on Muslims? Do you think it will make it easier or harder for the next Muslim who tries to insist they share the mainstream view on freedom of speech, or that Muslims are not a threat to our freedom and human rights?

Spare a thought for the Muslims who are not among the tiny minority.


Gandalf lost me as an honest player with his rediculous bullshit defence about mo being a pedo.  An honest thinker with a view to history which he how he tried to present himself would have just said, big mo as a warrior of his time would have rooted and raped chicks which by modern standards would cast him as a pedo, but no such charge or stigma existed at the time, and where young 12 and 13 year old girsl marrying was the norm..


Oh, Abu tried that one.

Alas, FD chased him.around for 50 pages until Abu became the pedo for suggesting exactly what you just did.

Sometimes a question is just a question, you know.
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Reply #74 - Nov 18th, 2014 at 10:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 10:15pm:
Datalife wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:45pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
Gandalf do you think your behaviour here reflects well on Muslims? Do you think it will make it easier or harder for the next Muslim who tries to insist they share the mainstream view on freedom of speech, or that Muslims are not a threat to our freedom and human rights?

Spare a thought for the Muslims who are not among the tiny minority.


Gandalf lost me as an honest player with his rediculous bullshit defence about mo being a pedo.  An honest thinker with a view to history which he how he tried to present himself would have just said, big mo as a warrior of his time would have rooted and raped chicks which by modern standards would cast him as a pedo, but no such charge or stigma existed at the time, and where young 12 and 13 year old girsl marrying was the norm..


Oh, Abu tried that one.

Alas, FD chased him.around for 50 pages until Abu became the pedo for suggesting exactly what you just did.

Sometimes a question is just a question, you know.


I ignore 99% of your repetitive and tedious static.  I am sure you must have better ways to spend your time than 24/7 on the forum pretending to be a mindless programmed bot, no?
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