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Reply #180 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 7:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

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ISIS has thrived only in the warzones of Iraq and Syria.

Interesting logic there. Why is Iraq a warzone Gandalf?

Iraq and Syria.

The question you should be asking is why almost all the rest of the muslim world are not war zones.

Perhaps, but this is the question I am asking. Why is Iraq a warzone Gandalf? Are you arguing that ISIS only thrives in places where ISIS thrives?

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #181 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:29am

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 7:48am:

Are you arguing that ISIS only thrives in places where ISIS thrives?

Indeed I am.

Which is particularly relevant in response to you using ISIS as an example of the 1% rampaging across the entire muslim world. I'll say again, ISIS recruitment drives elsewhere - including their immediate neighbours - have been spectacular failures.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49811 At my desk.	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #182 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:55am How do you know this? How would you describe their recruitment drives in Australia? There are plenty of places where the "tiny minority" actually makes up the majority of Muslims.
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Reply #183 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1414814389/151#151 date=1415873919]Islam does not mean 'peaceful coexistence', it means Submission. If you take Islam seriously as a devotee, you are not going to submit bur rather expect submission from all others.

OK, Soren I know you are smart enough to realise you are misconstruing the meaning of the word 'submission' here.

Not at all.

All problems with Islam in Western countries stem from the unwillingness of the serious devotees to subordinate their Islamic aims to the liberal democratic culture they live in. Walking around in your pajamas, with the lady of the house in a black tent a few steps behind you is not exactly acting with full cultural awareness and sensitivity and willingness to embrace your host culture, does it? It is a mini revolt and demo of your apartness and superiority. In turn, they attract contempt, scorn and derision.

Those nominal Muslims who have no interest in advancing the superiority of Islam have no problems in Western societies - they fit in and get on with it. They dress like everyone else, behave like everyone else. You wouldn't know they Muslims unless they told you. Nobody is bothered by them.

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #184 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:18pm

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1414814389/151#151 date=1415873919]Islam does not mean 'peaceful coexistence', it means Submission. If you take Islam seriously as a devotee, you are not going to submit bur rather expect submission from all others.

OK, Soren I know you are smart enough to realise you are misconstruing the meaning of the word 'submission' here.

Not at all.

All problems with Islam in Western countries stem from the unwillingness of the serious devotees to subordinate their Islamic aims to the liberal democratic culture they live in. Walking around in your pajamas, with the lady of the house in a black tent a few steps behind you is not exactly acting with full cultural awareness and sensitivity and willingness to embrace your host culture, does it? It is a mini revolt and demo of your apartness and superiority. In turn, they attract contempt, scorn and derision.

That’s right, old boy. It might offend the Krauts.

No one has the right to be tinted, no?

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #185 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:23pm

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1414814389/151#151 date=1415873919]Islam does not mean 'peaceful coexistence', it means Submission. If you take Islam seriously as a devotee, you are not going to submit bur rather expect submission from all others.

OK, Soren I know you are smart enough to realise you are misconstruing the meaning of the word 'submission' here.

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Those nominal Muslims who have no interest in advancing the superiority of Islam have no problems in Western societies - they fit in and get on with it. They dress like everyone else, behave like everyone else. You wouldn't know they Muslims unless they told you. Nobody is bothered by them.

Sorry, dear boy, did I hear you right? Are you saying you’re not offended by Muselmen?

Shurely shome mishtake.

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Reply #186 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Maybe this is why Islam is feared:

The International Society for Human Rights reports that 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination are directed against Christians. If 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination were directed at any other group, it would be the top story on every news channel and the chief concern of our leaders. But it's Christians, so . . . no worries.

And who is doing the persecution? Find out:

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Reply #187 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 4:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 4:28am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

[quote]ISIS has thrived only in the warzones of Iraq and Syria.

Interesting logic there. Why is Iraq a warzone Gandalf?

Iraq and Syria.

The question you should be asking is why almost all the rest of the muslim world are not war zones.

I think we pay about $600 million in extra security costs because of Muslims.
Other countries have the same costs & that's the only reason
we don't have chaos & wars in our countries.

My post ignored by Gandalf again?

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #188 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Maybe this is why Islam is feared:

The International Society for Human Rights reports that 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination are directed against Christians. If 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination were directed at any other group, it would be the top story on every news channel and the chief concern of our leaders. But it's Christians, so . . . no worries.

And who is doing the persecution? Find out:

So, who are the other 20% directed against, Soren?

I'd suggest any persecution for any reason against any group is wrong. You however appear to want to perpetuate increased persecution of one group. Why? Roll Eyes

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #189 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Maybe this is why Islam is feared:

The International Society for Human Rights reports that 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination are directed against Christians. If 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination were directed at any other group, it would be the top story on every news channel and the chief concern of our leaders. But it's Christians, so . . . no worries.

And who is doing the persecution? Find out:

So, who are the other 20% directed against, Soren?

I'd suggest any persecution for any reason against any group is wrong. You however appear to want to perpetuate increased persecution of one group. Why? Roll Eyes

Muslims are persecuting Christians. Got that, dishonest b vgger? Muslims are persecuting Christians.

Will you say anything about THAT, you dishonest bastard??

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #190 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 11:03pm

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Maybe this is why Islam is feared:

The International Society for Human Rights reports that 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination are directed against Christians. If 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination were directed at any other group, it would be the top story on every news channel and the chief concern of our leaders. But it's Christians, so . . . no worries.

And who is doing the persecution? Find out:

So, who are the other 20% directed against, Soren?

I'd suggest any persecution for any reason against any group is wrong. You however appear to want to perpetuate increased persecution of one group. Why? Roll Eyes

Muslims are persecuting Christians. Got that, dishonest b vgger? Muslims are persecuting Christians.

Will you say anything about THAT, you dishonest bastard??

Why do you avoid the question I asked, Soren? Why do you feel it necessary to resort to personal abuse all the time? Roll Eyes

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #191 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:31am Perhaps it's his reversion to childhood? Better be careful, he'll be flinging faeces at you next!
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97451	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #192 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:36am \|dev\|null wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:31am: Perhaps it's his reversion to childhood? Better be careful, he'll be flinging faeces at you next! Miam miam.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #193 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 1:31pm freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:55am: How do you know this? How would you describe their recruitment drives in Australia? There are plenty of places where the "tiny minority" actually makes up the majority of Muslims. Where? Your imagination?
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #194 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Maybe this is why Islam is feared:

The International Society for Human Rights reports that 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination are directed against Christians. If 80 percent of all acts of religious discrimination were directed at any other group, it would be the top story on every news channel and the chief concern of our leaders. But it's Christians, so . . . no worries.

And who is doing the persecution? Find out:

So, who are the other 20% directed against, Soren?

I'd suggest any persecution for any reason against any group is wrong. Roll Eyes

Muslims are persecuting Christians. Got that, dishonest b vgger? Muslims are persecuting Christians.

Will you say anything about THAT, you dishonest bastard??

Why do you avoid the question I asked, Soren? Why do you feel it necessary to resort to personal abuse all the time? Roll Eyes

Because you are incredibly dishonest and will never shrink from completely misrepresenting what I say.

" You however appear to want to perpetuate increased persecution of one group. Why? " Where do I say anything about always resort to dishonest misrepresentation. wanting to increase persecution of one group? You equate criticism with persecution. That is a dishonest, willful, deliberate misrepresentation. But as you have no real response to the criticism.
This is why I identify you as a dishonest bastard.

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