Australian Politics Forum - Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?

MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #225 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:24pm Sounds good to me.
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #226 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:26pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

How do you know this?

How would you describe their recruitment drives in Australia?

There are plenty of places where the "tiny minority" actually makes up the majority of Muslims.

Where? Your imagination? Grin

Some of the places that Gandalf and Brian hold up as examples of progressive Islam.

Really? According to whom? You? We know your opinion on this sort of issue is seriously warped FD. Grin

I would be happy to cite examples for you.

Do you consider supporting the death penalty for apostasy and stoning adulterers to death to be a view of the "tiny minority"?

In Australia, yes. You have evidence to the contrary? Grin

Only if 10-20% is tiny.

We have a lot more than a 'tiny minority' of completely unassimilated Muslims in Australia. We have no evidence to support the notion that unassimilated Muslims here are different from unassimilated Muslims in Canada, UK, US, France, Denmark, Sweden.
We had a fairly large and riotous demonstratation in Sydney two years ago openly calling for killing people who offend Islam.

Th 'tiny minority' is bandied about with no actual supporting evidence that it is indeed tiny. Muslim organisation - not stray, unrepresentative individuals - have objected to expectations of identifying with Australia ahead of the ummah or Islam.

You guys need to provide evidence that Australian Muslims are different from Muslims in other countries.

You need to provide evidence that the figures you're claiming are real Soren.

Until you do, I'll assume you've just pulled them out of thin air. Grin

Not thin air, Hot Breasts.

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #227 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:36pm Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:26pm: Not thin air, Hot Breasts. Say what?
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #228 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:37pm

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:06pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

How do you know this?

How would you describe their recruitment drives in Australia?

There are plenty of places where the "tiny minority" actually makes up the majority of Muslims.

Where? Your imagination? Grin

Some of the places that Gandalf and Brian hold up as examples of progressive Islam.

Really? According to whom? You? We know your opinion on this sort of issue is seriously warped FD. Grin

I would be happy to cite examples for you.

Do you consider supporting the death penalty for apostasy and stoning adulterers to death to be a view of the "tiny minority"?

In Australia, yes. You have evidence to the contrary? Grin

You want to know where, so long as it is in Australia?

No no, FD, anywhere but Australia. Get him to tell you Malaysia.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97451	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #229 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:39pm MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:36pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:26pm: Not thin air, Hot Breasts. Say what? Sorry, Special, I can’t say. Suffice to say that the old boy gets his facts from a very specific source.
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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #230 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:40pm Ah Karnal, go to Malaysia? Is Indo too unfriendly now Sir Bobby's raised his concerns about their police force?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97451	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #231 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:00pm MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:40pm: Ah Karnal, go to Malaysia? Is Indo too unfriendly now Sir Bobby's raised his concerns about their police force? No, Malaysia’s fine. FD just has some rather cunning statistics on what Malaysians think.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 108756 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #232 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:11pm graphic images removed - please refer to forum rules
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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #233 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:16pm HOly cow, bobby. What's this going on?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 108756 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #234 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 6:20am MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:16pm: HOly cow, bobby. What's this going on? We see dangerous religious fanatics.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97451	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #235 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:35am Bobby. wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 6:20am: MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:16pm: HOly cow, bobby. What's this going on? We see dangerous religious fanatics. Darkness visible.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 108756 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #236 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 4:18pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:11pm: graphic images removed - please refer to forum rules They are still on the previous page. I only quoted them.
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #237 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

HOly cow, bobby. What's this going on?

We see dangerous religious fanatics.

Vonce again. Zis is no need for alarm. I have observed that fanatics can be qvite useful, given zee proper insentive und encouragement.

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #238 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 6:25pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

How do you know this?

How would you describe their recruitment drives in Australia?

There are plenty of places where the "tiny minority" actually makes up the majority of Muslims.

Where? Your imagination? Grin

Some of the places that Gandalf and Brian hold up as examples of progressive Islam.

Really? According to whom? You? We know your opinion on this sort of issue is seriously warped FD. Grin

I would be happy to cite examples for you.

Do you consider supporting the death penalty for apostasy and stoning adulterers to death to be a view of the "tiny minority"?

In Australia, yes. You have evidence to the contrary? Grin

Only if 10-20% is tiny.

We have a lot more than a 'tiny minority' of completely unassimilated Muslims in Australia. We have no evidence to support the notion that unassimilated Muslims here are different from unassimilated Muslims in Canada, UK, US, France, Denmark, Sweden.
We had a fairly large and riotous demonstratation in Sydney two years ago openly calling for killing people who offend Islam.

Th 'tiny minority' is bandied about with no actual supporting evidence that it is indeed tiny. Muslim organisation - not stray, unrepresentative individuals - have objected to expectations of identifying with Australia ahead of the ummah or Islam.

You guys need to provide evidence that Australian Muslims are different from Muslims in other countries.

You need to provide evidence that the figures you're claiming are real Soren.

Until you do, I'll assume you've just pulled them out of thin air. Grin

Gandalf's 1% is from thin air.
As I said, where surveys were conducted in comparable countries, the 1% is more like 10-20 %.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49811 At my desk.	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #239 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 8:44am And the 10% more like 50-60%
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