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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43118	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #45 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:57pm You realise we could just script "Soren" as an AI and save us all a lot of time? He'd be a bit of a retrograde step from Mark V. Shaney who existed in the 1980s though. The Mark V made sense sometimes, unlike Soren who hardly ever makes sense.
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #46 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

You realise we could just script "Soren" as an AI and save us all a lot of time? He'd be a bit of a retrograde step from Mark V. Shaney who existed in the 1980s though. The Mark V made sense sometimes, unlike Soren who hardly ever makes sense. Grin

Look in the Mirror...or as they say..don't throw stones Brian...come up with a reply or be damned as just another Spot/Karnal spammer. I like to justify to myself reading your replies even if I don't agree...but I don't expect a sarcastic remark. It's bad enough with Gweg changing his M.O. He also used to have a reasonable reply but now he resorts to childish pictures..

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Reply #47 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1414814389/34#34 date=1415068064]ISIS kills 300 members of Sunni tribe, Iraqi government says
By Odai Sadik and Steve Almasy, CNN
November 4, 2014 -- Updated 0045 GMT (0845 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/03/world/meast/isis-mass-killing/index.html?hpt=h...

Some of the 322 people executed were women and children,
Iraq's Ministry of Human Rights said.

The libbos and the coalition of the killing are responsible for this mess now. They got rid of the 'evil dictator' which was the only person able to keep Iraq under control.

Yes Sir Nail,

Saddam knew what to do with terrorists.

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Reply #48 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1414814389/34#34 date=1415068064]ISIS kills 300 members of Sunni tribe, Iraqi government says
By Odai Sadik and Steve Almasy, CNN
November 4, 2014 -- Updated 0045 GMT (0845 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/03/world/meast/isis-mass-killing/index.html?hpt=h...

Some of the 322 people executed were women and children,
Iraq's Ministry of Human Rights said.

The libbos and the coalition of the killing are responsible for this mess now. They got rid of the 'evil dictator' which was the only person able to keep Iraq under control.

Yes Sir Nail,

Saddam knew what to do with terrorists.

True, but the old boy War Against Terror crowd were stupid enough to pretend Saddam.was the problem. They know they lied, but they pretend they did so for a good cause.

Oh, let’s just go in. Surely we can liberate Iraq and bring Freeedom to the Middle East. FD still refuses to admit that we didn’t. The old boy likes to pretend how disappointed he is that Iraqis turned down our kind offer.

You know, because of their religion.

Saddam was a bastard. The fakes are worse. Forget Saudi sheiks. The shifting sands of oil politics have nothing on the old boy crowd. These people will stop.at nothing.

And so it is.

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Reply #49 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:40pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

True, but the old boy War Against Terror crowd were stupid enough to pretend Saddam.was the problem. They know they lied, but they pretend they did so for a good cause.

Oh, let’s just go in. Surely we can liberate Iraq and bring Freeedom to the Middle East. FD still refuses to admit that we didn’t. The old boy likes to pretend how disappointed he is that Iraqis turned down our kind offer.

You know, because of their religion.

Saddam was a bastard. The fakes are worse. Forget Saudi sheiks. The shifting sands of oil politics have nothing on the old boy crowd. These people will stop.at nothing.

And so it is.

Namaste

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Reply #50 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm

Karnal,
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True, but the old boy War Against Terror crowd were stupid enough to pretend Saddam.was the problem. They know they lied, but they pretend they did so for a good cause.

Oh, let’s just go in. Surely we can liberate Iraq and bring Freedom to the Middle East. FD still refuses to admit that we didn’t. The old boy likes to pretend how disappointed he is that Iraqis turned down our kind offer.

You know, because of their religion.

Saddam was a bastard. The fakes are worse. Forget Saudi sheiks. The shifting sands of oil politics have nothing on the old boy crowd. These people will stop.at nothing.

And so it is.

Hi Karnal,
Yes - remember when Iraq was going to be a beacon of democratic light
shining out across the Middle East?

The Americans are dreamers.
Mussies could never live in a democratic country -
they are too brainwashed by their stupid religion.

And so it is

all part of the divine plan

namaste

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #51 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 11:48pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 9:28pm:

So you are saying that Islam and Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv Islam's and Muslims' poor reputation? It's all everyone else's fault?

What I am saying is that it is unfair to tar all adherents of a vast religious group like the Muslims because of the actions of a minority, Soren. I have been saying this for many, many, many, many posts but it doesn't seem to sink in for you. Why? Are you incapable of comprehending a simple concept? Roll Eyes

Noticing the centrality of Islamic doctrine to all but one of the listed terrorist organisation in Australia is unfair? How?

I didn't claim it was.

When however, you assume that the Terrorists' interpretation of Islam doctrine is the same as mainstream Islamic doctrine, then you run into trouble, Soren. Roll Eyes

Your problem is that you quite deliberately seem to make sure that you tell people that you make no differentiation between different interpretations of Islam, Soren.

It is like suggesting that all Christians are Catholics. Roll Eyes

Don't be an idiot on purpose, Brain.

NOWHERE have I said that every interpretation of Islam is the same as every other.

I am beginning to question your sanity.

What I maintain is that ISLAM is common to ALL the various Muslims ways of thinking.

Islam = submission to sharia, jihad and the final, unalterable word of god. Whatever your interpretation of Islam, submission to sharia is a non-negotiable.

Show me an interpretation in the vibrant diversity of Islam that doesn't require you to submit to sharia, or to recognise Mohammed as the final messenger of god or to treat the Koran as a the final, UNALTERABLE word of God.

There is NO Muslim who can contradicts these fundamentals. This is a narrow and specific 'vibrant diversity', Brain. You believe it all and so you are a Muslim or you don't and then you aren't.i

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97360	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #52 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:32pm That’s old boy post number two. That’s absolutely, always, never ever.
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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #53 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:57pm Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:32pm: That’s old boy post number two. That’s absolutely, always, never ever. Oh, I get it now. You're just.....
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Reply #54 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Karnal,
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True, but the old boy War Against Terror crowd were stupid enough to pretend Saddam.was the problem. They know they lied, but they pretend they did so for a good cause.

Oh, let’s just go in. Surely we can liberate Iraq and bring Freedom to the Middle East. FD still refuses to admit that we didn’t. The old boy likes to pretend how disappointed he is that Iraqis turned down our kind offer.

You know, because of their religion.

Saddam was a bastard. The fakes are worse. Forget Saudi sheiks. The shifting sands of oil politics have nothing on the old boy crowd. These people will stop.at nothing.

And so it is.

Hi Karnal,
Yes - remember when Iraq was going to be a beacon of democratic light
shining out across the Middle East?

The Americans are dreamers.
Mussies could never live in a democratic country -
they are too brainwashed by their stupid religion.

And so it is

all part of the divine plan

namaste

Are you nuts? Amerika left both Iran and Iraq far more Islamic and radicalised than they were before they went in.

Both countries started out as secular. After Uncle, both are now Shi’ite states.

As for Saudi Arabia, it’s a Fascist state.

Read FD’s Pew Survey. Strangely, the most liberal Muslim.majority countries appear to be the ex-Soviet ones.

What does that tell you about Freeeedom?

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #55 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:12pm Karnal wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 10:06pm: Are you nuts? Amerika left both Iran and Iraq far more Islamic and radicalised than they were before they went in. Both countries started out as secular. After Uncle, both are now Shi’ite Shite states. Fixed.
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Reply #56 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:20pm

brumbie wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

You realise we could just script "Soren" as an AI and save us all a lot of time? He'd be a bit of a retrograde step from Mark V. Shaney who existed in the 1980s though. The Mark V made sense sometimes, unlike Soren who hardly ever makes sense. Grin

Look in the Mirror...or as they say..don't throw stones Brian...come up with a reply or be damned as just another Spot/Karnal spammer. I like to justify to myself reading your replies even if I don't agree...but I don't expect a sarcastic remark. It's bad enough with Gweg changing his M.O. He also used to have a reasonable reply but now he resorts to childish pictures..

Brumbie, occasionally I like to lighten the mood. If you don't like it, don't read it.

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Reply #57 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:28pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 11:48pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 9:28pm:

So you are saying that Islam and Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv Islam's and Muslims' poor reputation? It's all everyone else's fault?

What I am saying is that it is unfair to tar all adherents of a vast religious group like the Muslims because of the actions of a minority, Soren. I have been saying this for many, many, many, many posts but it doesn't seem to sink in for you. Why? Are you incapable of comprehending a simple concept? Roll Eyes

Noticing the centrality of Islamic doctrine to all but one of the listed terrorist organisation in Australia is unfair? How?

I didn't claim it was.

When however, you assume that the Terrorists' interpretation of Islam doctrine is the same as mainstream Islamic doctrine, then you run into trouble, Soren. Roll Eyes

Your problem is that you quite deliberately seem to make sure that you tell people that you make no differentiation between different interpretations of Islam, Soren.

It is like suggesting that all Christians are Catholics. Roll Eyes

Don't be an idiot on purpose, Brain.

NOWHERE have I said that every interpretation of Islam is the same as every other.

Yet, you act as if it is what you believe, Soren. You imply it, everytime you erect that strawman claim that the Terrorists are the real representatives of Islam and that what they are doing is what Islam demands of them, each and everytime they cut a head off. Roll Eyes

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I am beginning to question your sanity.

What I maintain is that ISLAM is common to ALL the various Muslims ways of thinking.

Islam = submission to sharia, jihad and the final, unalterable word of god. Whatever your interpretation of Islam, submission to sharia is a non-negotiable.

Show me an interpretation in the vibrant diversity of Islam that doesn't require you to submit to sharia, or to recognise Mohammed as the final messenger of god or to treat the Koran as a the final, UNALTERABLE word of God.

There is NO Muslim who can contradicts these fundamentals. This is a narrow and specific 'vibrant diversity', Brain. You believe it all and so you are a Muslim or you don't and then you aren't.

What you're missing, Soren is how one submits to Allah - note, Allah, NOT "sh'ria". Sh'ria is a part of Islam, it is not the keystone. You appear to ignore that for some reason.

Then, of course there is what Sh'ria is, exactly. Many different versions, many different interpretations, all different. You however, keep acting as if there is only one interpretation of what Sh'ria is! Roll Eyes

As for Mohammed being the final messenger, I wonder how that fits with the Twelver belief system? Wink

Such subtleties keep passing you by, Soren. You have heard the siren call of the extremists and you've succumbed. They have converted you to their interpretation of Islam and you've dived in, quite happily, now haven't you? Roll Eyes

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? Reply #58 - Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:31pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 11:20pm: Brumbie, occasionally I like to lighten the mood. If you don't like it, don't read it. In other words, doing this...
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Reply #59 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:11pm

If interpretation is responsible islamic terrorists, why do other muslims find it impossible to show the correct meaning to the terrorists?

Why can't the goodies prove that a command to slay and be slain, doesn't mean exactly that?

Why can't the goodies show that a command to emigrate in order to slay and be slain, doesn't mean exactly that?

Why can't the goodies show that a command not to take non muslims as friends, doesn't mean exactly that?

Why can't the goodies show that a command which states that non muslims are the vilest of people, doesn't mean exactly that?

Why can't the goodies show that a command to kill apostates and hypocrites, doesn't mean exactly that?

Why are there millions of pathetically stupid muslims who can't understand they've got all of the above wrong?

We all know the reason why the terrorists don't understand they are wrong, they are following the qur'an to the letter.

It's up to muslims to solve this problem physically and literally, by purging the commands which cause terrorism, from the qur'an.

If they don't, then the **interpretation terrorists** are here to stay, as long as islam exists.

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