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Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims? (Read 28415 times)
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #90 - Nov 8th, 2014 at 11:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 10:10pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
How dare they parade themselves in such a way? To do so offends everything we as a civilised race stand for. Decency, normality, Freudian Lutheran values.




Exactly.

They can and should be ridiculed for the anachronistic, antagonistic stance they embody.

There is no compulsion in accommodating backward cultural practices and norms.  Backward people must not be sheltered from their backwardness.



Ah, the soft bigotry of low expectations. I understand how you must feel, old boy. All those years of keeping a stiff upper lip - the private schools, the sodomy, the University of Balogney, the constant pressure to be someone you’re not, always striving to conform, to fit in, to keep up appearances.
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You never feel comfortable in your own skin. Never. You don’t even know who you are or how you truly feel apart from a dull, burning numbness where once a soul - a soul? - may have been.

And there’s the dirty inverts getting fcked to Kingdom Come, there’s the grinning PBs, sitting in their slums with their hands out for your hard-earned baksheesh, everyone living it up and enjoying themselves while you struggle for your hard won virtue, hands above the sheets, the alarm clock set, your chastity intact.

Civilisation has its discontents, no? And the deviants have the hyde to expect to be treated equally, on the same level as someone like yourself, someone who has never done anything abnormal, despite the temptations which burn away, being wrestled away, always to return.

It is offensive. Of course it’s offensive. Who do these people think they are? You’ve struggled your whole life to be normal, and there they go, preening and parading their deviancy like savages - worse than savages. Animals.

They have no right whatsoever not to be offended, dear boy. Only decent, normal people have this right. As FD says, if you don’t actively use this right, they’ll win. And then where would we be?

Back in the jungles, that’s where.

You carry on, old boy. Your honour relies on it. No, our very civilisation relies on it. Without people like yourself, the inverts would win.

And this is the white man’s burden.
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #91 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 4:04pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:28pm:
Yet, you act as if it is what you believe, Soren.   You imply it, everytime you erect that strawman claim that the Terrorists are the real representatives of Islam and that what they are doing is what Islam demands of them, each and everytime they cut a head off.   

I never, ever claimed that the terrorists are the real representatives.  I claim that they are impeccably Islamic. They are doing what they take Islam to demand of them. They are not distorting anything.


You see no inherent contradiction between what you've just claimed at what I've said you've claimed all along?

So, if they are the "impeccably Islamic" what does that make the rest of the Islamic world which rejects their supposedly "impaccable" credentials, Soren?    Roll Eyes

It is this sort of double-think that makes you so unbelieverable and so obviously such a good believer in the Islamist interpretation of Islam.

Tell me, what do you think of Opus Dei's interpretation of Christianity?  The Westboro Baptist Church's?  Or the Exclusive Brotherhood's?  Or even the Catholic versus Eastern Orthodox versus Protestant interpretations of Christianity?

Using your logic one or all of them is "impeccably Christian", which suggests what about the others?    Roll Eyes
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #92 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 7:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:28pm:
Yet, you act as if it is what you believe, Soren.   You imply it, everytime you erect that strawman claim that the Terrorists are the real representatives of Islam and that what they are doing is what Islam demands of them, each and everytime they cut a head off.   

I never, ever claimed that the terrorists are the real representatives.  I claim that they are impeccably Islamic. They are doing what they take Islam to demand of them. They are not distorting anything.


You see no inherent contradiction between what you've just claimed at what I've said you've claimed all along?

So, if they are the "impeccably Islamic" what does that make the rest of the Islamic world which rejects their supposedly "impaccable" credentials, Soren?    Roll Eyes

It is this sort of double-think that makes you so unbelieverable and so obviously such a good believer in the Islamist interpretation of Islam.

Tell me, what do you think of Opus Dei's interpretation of Christianity?  The Westboro Baptist Church's?  Or the Exclusive Brotherhood's?  Or even the Catholic versus Eastern Orthodox versus Protestant interpretations of Christianity?

Using your logic one or all of them is "impeccably Christian", which suggests what about the others?    Roll Eyes


Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.

In the meantime you apologise from and distract from Islamists doing exactly that.  Is that where idiot lengths reflex relativism takes you? 

Somewhere along the way you have lost what little brains you have ever possessed.
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #93 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm
 
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #94 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #95 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


Thankfully I am not as silly as that, or maybe my thinking is a bit more nuanced. The world must be a very confusing place for the likes of Brian and co who cannot see difference or graduation. 
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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #96 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes

Point us to the impeccable Christian theological credentials of blowing up trains, thicko.

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Re: Perhaps this is why the Islamophobes fear Muslims?
Reply #97 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes


Why not?  If they consider themselves to be Christians, blow people up and behead and torture them in the name of thier Christian ideology and cite Christian texts as inspiration and reason to do so, you would need to be a particular sort of buggerwittery to say they are not Christian.  It may not be an interpretation of Christianity that you agree with, but they are most definately Christian.

To deny it is the  very specific and strange form of brain damage that Brian employs when pretending Islamists are not islamic. 
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Reply #98 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:35pm
 
Brian doesn't deny it at all. In fact, just the other day he was holding up Joseph Kony as representative of Christianity. And the day before that. And the day before that. You'd be lucky to find a day when he hasn't.
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Reply #99 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:35pm:
Brian doesn't deny it at all. In fact, just the other day he was holding up Joseph Kony as representative of Christianity. And the day before that. And the day before that. You'd be lucky to find a day when he hasn't.


Well that would make Brian all over the smacking shop then but then he has never been too coherent or his arguments possessed of any internal consistency.
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Reply #100 - Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:17pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes

Point us to the impeccable Christian theological credentials of blowing up trains, thicko.



I understand. It’s hard to talk with your mouth full, no?

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Reply #101 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:47am
 
Soren wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:17pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
Quote:
Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes

Point us to the impeccable Christian theological credentials of blowing up trains, thicko.



How about blowing up Abortion Clinics instead?  Will that do?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #102 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 1:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:47am:
Soren wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:17pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
Quote:
Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes

Point us to the impeccable Christian theological credentials of blowing up trains, thicko.



How about blowing up Abortion Clinics instead?  Will that do?   Roll Eyes


Indeed Brianless that is a very bad thing.  And yes they were Christian.  They were also smacking murdering terrorists. 

Exactly like the murdering terrorists whose actions you defend and deflect and apologise for.  Do you even have a point?  I think you think you do, but boiled down you got nothing. 

You apologise for atrocities committed in the name of Islam and condemn atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

I can only put down your incoherent and inconstant philosophy as the usual White sandalista self loathing.
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Reply #103 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:38am
 
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
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Any time adherents of Westboro blow up a building or train, in furtherance of thier religion and citing thier religion as justification I will be more than happy to condemn them.


But what if only a tiny minority of westboro baptists (say, 3 of them) blow up a train? You would then be forced to come to the defense of the rest of them, wouldn't you? Can't be tarring them all with the same brush now, can we?


But would they be doing it because of their "impeccable" credentials as Christians?  I wonder?    Roll Eyes


Why not?  If they consider themselves to be Christians, blow people up and behead and torture them in the name of thier Christian ideology and cite Christian texts as inspiration and reason to do so, you would need to be a particular sort of buggerwittery to say they are not Christian.  It may not be an interpretation of Christianity that you agree with, but they are most definately Christian.


Yet Soren, Moses, Matty, et al all denied they would or could be Christians...   Grin Grin Grin Grin

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To deny it is the  very specific and strange form of brain damage that Brian employs when pretending Islamists are not islamic. 


Has he ever suggested that?  I think you'll find instead he points out that their interpretation of Islam is not the same as that of mainstream Muslims.   Of course, that just might be too subtle for you.  Perhaps there are too many gradations for you to cope with?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #104 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 5:24pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:38am:
Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
To deny it is the  very specific and strange form of brain damage that Brian employs when pretending Islamists are not islamic. 


Has he ever suggested that? 

That's ALL he ever does.

You could not interpret vegetarianism as a call to eat as much meat as possible.
Not so with the Religion of Submission - it is interpreted as as the call to ... er... Submission.

Not peace. Submission.   Not exactly a consultative, accommodating kinda belief system, is it? 
Submit or else.

So these ISIS types take Islam at its word and go around spreading the message - submit or we'll keeeeel you.   As so they do. They do in the name of the Religion of Submission.
No peace until you submit.



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