Bam wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 10:58am:


Exceptions should be made for those without parents. However, the percentage being parent-less would be minuscule and it therefore doesn't effect my original point. 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:22am:

Id really ;like to respond to your argument here but unfortunately the internet does not allow me to punch you in the mouth for being a smug arsehole.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:33am:

I have plenty of money now but I have known extreme poverty and being wealthy doesnt mean that I automatically look down on the less fortunate, there but for the grace of God go I. You should remember that., Some people arent born to the priveleged start in life that you had, thats something else you should remember.

Grapples, I think the smart people don't focus too much on the government , in terms of their own success in life and it seems a failing to do so.

certainly there are just SOOOO many success stories amongst our Asian immigrants.

they focus on frugality, hard work, involving the government as little as possible (paying cash to their family to work in their enterprises )
they focus on family, solidarity, looking out for one another, putting their kids in the best private schools money can buy and always running small businesses (why work for someone and make them rich).

these groups come from very disadvantaged backgrounds but are always upwardly socially mobile

so , forget the government and what it cant or wont be able to do for you and concentrate on

Family
Frugality
Education
Hard work
Perseverence
Loyalty
Cheerfulness
Common sense
Resilience.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:22am:


what a load of condescending bullsheat ..... no parent is responsible for their kids at 30. If the kids go out clubbing at the age of 25, screw around and ends up getting some girl pregnant, does that mean the parents are responsible?

You must live in lala land. You have obviously never dealt with reality.

I bet you are one of those uni lecturers that moved from a life of study supplied to you by your parent, to a life of acedemia, without having really lived outside of the confines of university life. You may know your subject matter, but you have a twisted concept of reality.

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:25am:



Either that or supply jobs for all that want them.

Well said Dame Pansi. Newstart ( No start ) is far too low, and should be increased by at the very least $50 a week.    

The Abbott Government follows the Dennis Denuto guide to government policy: just assert there is an age of entitlement or the welfare systems is being rorted. Don't worry too much about there being a paucity of evidence regarding the age of entitlement or that the welfare system is being rorted - the vibe will do.

One of the "more vibe than reality" policies has been that the youth need to be earning or learning. It's one of the policies that sounds great - surely the opposite of earning or learning is nothing, and something is always better than nothing.

Abbott will be thus happy to know that that is exactly what the youth of Australia have been doing - and indeed are now doing in record numbers. More Australian youth are now in full-time education than ever before (this includes those who are working while also attending full-time education). The trend has been long and steady for nearly 25 years.

When it comes to either earning or learning the 15-19-year-olds are doing that in record numbers. In May about 92 per cent of youth aged 15 to 19 years of age were either working or learning. This includes about 44 per cent who were employed, 5.7 per cent who were unemployed but doing full-time education and 42 per cent who were not in the labour force but were attending full-time education.

It's worth noting the ABS records full-time and part-time employment, but only full-time education.

Now lets move on to the Dole. The current rate for Newstart is $510.50 a fortnight - $13,273 a year. Given anyone earning less than $19,700 after tax is in the bottom 10 per cent of Australian households, those on Newstart are among the poorest of all Australians.

You would have to be either extremely deluded, or a member of the Cabinet to think people are choosing to stay on such an income.

Unless you have parents or the like supporting you being on the dole is crap. It is not how the government portrays it. Bands of youth laughing in the taxpayers face as they soak up the sun in Bondi. It actually sucks.

Now unemployed will have to waste 25 hours a week doing menial tasks that provide them with little help searching for or getting that all-important job. Which seems at odds with Assistant Employment Minister Luke Hartsuyker comment that

Quote:


How do they get that all-important job?

The way to improve a person's chance of getting a job is to assist them to be one of the "suitable applicants".

But such training gets in the way of finding that all- important job.

So why don these bludgers get a god damn Job?

In May there were 146,000 job vacancies with 720,000 people unemployed. Another 920,000 were underemployed and wanting more hours of work. Underemployment is a very important labour market indicator as, under the terms of internationally agreed labour statistics collection, an individual is counted as employed if working one hour a week for pay or profit.

This is the core reality of the Australian job market.

Lets not forget that the government wants those under 30 to wait up to six months before they get any money at all. So you better hope there is someone willing to put you up and feed you for that time.

Australia has always had a proud history of targeting the poor and disadvantaged.