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Reply #75 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:52pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Somebody in their 20s is not a child!

They would get 6 months dole in every 12 months!

The stupid idea would cause a drop in private sector spending directly (less money to spend) and indirectly (under 30s currently employed would save money—under the mattress most likely—if they feel they could be made unemployed and with only 6 months inadequate dole every 12 months.

Whatever studies you are supposed to have done clearly does not include economics or common sense.

I see. So you're making a pro-business argument for the dole now. Before you just screeched something about it's unfair not to pay them.

Not me.

A pro–economy argument.

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Reply #77 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:47pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Told you already - government in many ways has taken over that mantle of caring for all.. even by reducing the rights of parents to control their children.... and therefore inherits the earth - the earth, mud and slush of having to support those children they have told their parents they have no real rights in or over and who are, according to government fiat, free to do as they choose.

You make the policies and you enforce them to the detriment of others - you take full responsibility and pay the piper.

That is ONE grievous fault of 'social engineering' and the excessive input of socio-fascist idealism.

I've told you many times to beware of freaks bearing grift.. you never listen...

I've also told you many times that by allowing government to take this mantle from us all - we are becoming serfs to its dictatorship - nowhere more revealed than in the attitudes of the current 'government'.

Will your 'skills' do you well when we have the equivalent of the Red Guards and the Cultural Revolution - when those such as you were vilified, imprisoned, attacked and re-educated to the new regime and according to the will of the young people blatantly deprived of their rights and their freedoms and the ability to build a secure life and family structure etc, for themselves??

I fear, Grasshopper, that like so many others - you have yet to understand life.... any such understand life only when it crashes in on them...... in the hands of the very ones they have vilified in the past.....

Your posts are often all over the place - you hate the government one minute, then asking for a handout and for them to take control of something the next minute.

Again - you are confused, Grasshopper - and it appears to me that you view all posts of issues and ideas as being in some way a direct reflection of the poster. I do not ever suggest handouts from government - I cite the simple reality that government has taken on that mantle for itself - and thus has taken on the responsibility as well. That being so - and their policies based thereon - they have no right to complain (as in Joe's laughable 'budget') and change the goal posts to suit themselves at whim, and must instead carry the burden entire of their own making.

And again - when governments take over the roles of parents - again they accept full responsibility for all that accrues thereto.

I do not 'hate' government - I despise it as a far lesser being and unworthy of its munificence, being functionally incapable of performing its DUTY, and as a citizen of this country and fully entitled to do so - I absolutely retain the Right to criticise it at will.

What I suggest is that what is needed is a genuine government that will take control over things and do so properly for a change - unlike the current mode of groups of self-interested people gaining power through 'election' when the choices are as rare as those in current Russia in reality - and will control ITSELF first, and then those who currently thrive under its wrongful governance, while ensuring that it carries out its full responsibilities to the ordinary person who pays its way.

I see no conflict there and no confusion at all - my posts are only confusing to those who dwell in darkness...

Good luck.....

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Hush, Lass - it's the Oirish in me - we don't think like the Sassenach....

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Reply #78 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:07am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 6:46am:

How about the government take responsibility.

The under 30's didn't sell their jobs to foreign entities.

That 'living with the parents' statement doesn't make sense. There's few job vacancies in regional or country Australia. Young people must move to the cities if they want any hope of finding work. What would you have them do? Sit at home out in the sticks forever?

I didn't know you support back peddling everything the enlightenment and liberalist movement fought for, why do you dream of a time when the great monarchy (todays governments) will took responsibility and treated Adults like children, like slaves and tell them what to do and how to do it.

Please how about these ADULTS take responsibility, and find work or even better Create one like i did, and make a business from nothing.

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Reply #79 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:11am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:47pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Told you already - government in many ways has taken over that mantle of caring for all.. even by reducing the rights of parents to control their children.... and therefore inherits the earth - the earth, mud and slush of having to support those children they have told their parents they have no real rights in or over and who are, according to government fiat, free to do as they choose.

You make the policies and you enforce them to the detriment of others - you take full responsibility and pay the piper.

That is ONE grievous fault of 'social engineering' and the excessive input of socio-fascist idealism.

I've told you many times to beware of freaks bearing grift.. you never listen...

I've also told you many times that by allowing government to take this mantle from us all - we are becoming serfs to its dictatorship - nowhere more revealed than in the attitudes of the current 'government'.

Will your 'skills' do you well when we have the equivalent of the Red Guards and the Cultural Revolution - when those such as you were vilified, imprisoned, attacked and re-educated to the new regime and according to the will of the young people blatantly deprived of their rights and their freedoms and the ability to build a secure life and family structure etc, for themselves??

I fear, Grasshopper, that like so many others - you have yet to understand life.... any such understand life only when it crashes in on them...... in the hands of the very ones they have vilified in the past.....

Your posts are often all over the place - you hate the government one minute, then asking for a handout and for them to take control of something the next minute.

Again - you are confused, Grasshopper - and it appears to me that you view all posts of issues and ideas as being in some way a direct reflection of the poster. I do not ever suggest handouts from government - I cite the simple reality that government has taken on that mantle for itself - and thus has taken on the responsibility as well. That being so - and their policies based thereon - they have no right to complain (as in Joe's laughable 'budget') and change the goal posts to suit themselves at whim, and must instead carry the burden entire of their own making.

And again - when governments take over the roles of parents - again they accept full responsibility for all that accrues thereto.

I do not 'hate' government - I despise it as a far lesser being and unworthy of its munificence, being functionally incapable of performing its DUTY, and as a citizen of this country and fully entitled to do so - I absolutely retain the Right to criticise it at will.

What I suggest is that what is needed is a genuine government that will take control over things and do so properly for a change - unlike the current mode of groups of self-interested people gaining power through 'election' when the choices are as rare as those in current Russia in reality - and will control ITSELF first, and then those who currently thrive under its wrongful governance, while ensuring that it carries out its full responsibilities to the ordinary person who pays its way.

I see no conflict there and no confusion at all - my posts are only confusing to those who dwell in darkness...

Good luck.....

Footnote:- What is needed here is what a lady from MI6 said to me one - "You would make an excellent benevolent dictator."

Hush, Lass - it's the Oirish in me - we don't think like the Sassenach....

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Reply #80 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:49am

What next?

The revolution? Surely!

I hope Tony Abbott and Campbell Newman don't see this, such a policy would be right up their alley.

By the way, Arnold is no relation to Tony, he is a do-gooder, our Tony is a do-badder.

Arnold Abbot, 90, arrested for feeding homeless in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

A NINETY-year-old Good Samaritan could go to prison after he was arrested by police in Florida for serving a meal he had prepared to the homeless.
Arnold Abbot was distributing food to the needy in Fort Lauderdale when he was stopped by cops who said his actions were outlawed by a new local ordinance that bans the sharing of food in public places.

“One of the police officers came over and said ‘Drop that plate right now,’ as if I was carrying a weapon,”

http://www.news.com.au/world/arnold-abbot-90-arrested-for-feeding-homeless-in-fo...

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Reply #81 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

Pantheon wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:07am:

Please how about these ADULTS take responsibility, and find work or even better Create one like i did, and make a business from nothing.

There is one major hurdle to the overwhelming majority of unemployed in finding a job.

There are only around 167,000 jobs available.

There are about 768,000 people unemployed.

If every job was filled tomorrow you would still have half a million people unemployed.

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Reply #82 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 1:17pm

The dole is not a solution. Just a lousy, temporary fix. Dole payments by governments are not based on goodwill. In reality it is an ice cold calculation by the world bankers to prevent the oppressed, landless people from starting a revolution and overthrowing the governments(the puppets of the world bankers).

Under a good government, no dole would be needed. Under a good government there would be very little taxes and very little restrictions to small businesses, so they would flourish, enabling people to look after themselves.

Under a good world government there would be no fractional reserve banking. No money could be created out of thin air by Reserve Banks and then lent to indebt nations. Further, when no money gets created out of thin air to be lent in form of mortgages, there would be no property bubbles. Property would be affordable to EVERY normal, decent worker.

Under such good governments every decent worker would own land debt-free, self-sufficiency would be high, self employment would be high, small businesses would be plentiful, local produce would dominate, local government would dominate over centralized government and there would be no insanely rich people ($50 million+). The middle class would be the norm.

Every major policy in every Western nation in the last 100 years has been designed by the royal societies to achieve the exact opposite of what I just wrote above. More taxes, indebting nations with "fake" new money, creating property bubbles, increasing taxes, implementing millions of restrictions to small businesses, effectively destroying small business, forcing landowners to sell their land and become rent and mortgage slaves, turning self employed people into slaves(employees), making people dependent, centralizing governments, centralizing food production (far away from where the people live!) and making the royal societies insanely rich.

We are at the peak of royal power. At the peak of tyranny. Now it's time to bring the whole shite-system down and start again with people power. We have completed one cycle of Earthly, material power which lasts around 250 years (Pluto's orbit around the sun).

Pluto is now in Capricorn until 2022, when it will move into Aquarius. Last time Pluto was in that constellation, the French revolution(which in reality was a European revolution) happened and gave birth to modern democracy. Once cycle before that (around 500 years ago), the Reformation happened, which was much more than about religion. It was about the common people fighting back against the Vatican who was taxing the crap out of all Europeans and controlling their lives. Just like today... in a different way. And the same royal bloodlines behind the curtains are doing the taxing and controlling, just like 500 years ago. Wink

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Reply #84 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:14pm

Raven wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Pantheon wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:07am:

Please how about these ADULTS take responsibility, and find work or even better Create one like i did, and make a business from nothing.

There is one major hurdle to the overwhelming majority of unemployed in finding a job.

There are only around 167,000 jobs available.

There are about 768,000 people unemployed.

If every job was filled tomorrow you would still have half a million people unemployed.

How about Adopting a basic income policy to allow business like mine who cant hire Australians because we dont earn enough to pay minimum wage, to hire Australia with what little we have for Gov to cover the Rest, the result is you will have Australians getting back into work and learning new skills instead of doing nothing on welfare.

And once my business start earning enough to pay my employees minimum wage without Government help, the Government can then withdraw help and there you go, the Gov just help created a business employing Australians.

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Reply #86 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:31pm

Raven wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Pantheon wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:07am:

Please how about these ADULTS take responsibility, and find work or even better Create one like i did, and make a business from nothing.

There is one major hurdle to the overwhelming majority of unemployed in finding a job.

There are only around 167,000 jobs available.

There are about 768,000 people unemployed.

If every job was filled tomorrow you would still have half a million people unemployed.

The official statistics state that but they are wrong.

The number of people who want to work is a lot greater than this.

The number of advertised vacancies is also unrealistic. Most advertised vacancies are not filled by the unemployed but by job swappers, and many of those vacancies exist due to job swapping, not jobs growth. Some vacancies are also not advertised.

Many unemployed people apply for hundreds of jobs before landing one. Some have applied for over a thousand without luck. The ratio of unemployed people to jobs that they have a chance of getting is closer to 100 to 1, not the 4.5 to 1 ratio suggested by the statistics.

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Reply #87 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 7:06am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:49am:

What next?

The revolution? Surely!

I hope Tony Abbott and Campbell Newman don't see this, such a policy would be right up their alley.

By the way, Arnold is no relation to Tony, he is a do-gooder, our Tony is a do-badder.

Arnold Abbot, 90, arrested for feeding homeless in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

A NINETY-year-old Good Samaritan could go to prison after he was arrested by police in Florida for serving a meal he had prepared to the homeless.
Arnold Abbot was distributing food to the needy in Fort Lauderdale when he was stopped by cops who said his actions were outlawed by a new local ordinance that bans the sharing of food in public places.

“One of the police officers came over and said ‘Drop that plate right now,’ as if I was carrying a weapon,”

http://www.news.com.au/world/arnold-abbot-90-arrested-for-feeding-homeless-in-fo...

Just wait.

That will be happening here within 12-18 months, once Abbott's pathetic economic
performance starts to bite, and the out-of-work have to survive on nothing.

But what sort of low c^%$ would try to prevent someone from feeding the hungry?

That DOES warrant the DP.

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Reply #88 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 7:10am

Raven wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Pantheon wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:07am:

Please how about these ADULTS take responsibility, and find work or even better Create one like i did, and make a business from nothing.

There is one major hurdle to the overwhelming majority of unemployed in finding a job.

There are only around 167,000 jobs available.

There are about 768,000 people unemployed.

If every job was filled tomorrow you would still have half a million people unemployed.

Yes, but for some reason the conned-servatives flatly refuse to acknowledge this.

It's ALL the fault of the 'bludgers' an 'leaners' who 'won't work', don't y'know?.

Effing delusional clowns.

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Reply #89 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 11:11am

Kat wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 7:10am:

Raven wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Pantheon wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 5:07am:

Please how about these ADULTS take responsibility, and find work or even better Create one like i did, and make a business from nothing.

There is one major hurdle to the overwhelming majority of unemployed in finding a job.

There are only around 167,000 jobs available.

There are about 768,000 people unemployed.

If every job was filled tomorrow you would still have half a million people unemployed.

Yes, but for some reason the conned-servatives flatly refuse to acknowledge this.

It's ALL the fault of the 'bludgers' an 'leaners' who 'won't work', don't y'know?.

Effing delusional clowns.

That's right, they are living it up! Soaking in the sun at the beach by day and sinking a few cold ones at the pub by night all on $13,000 a year.

Bloody bludgers

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