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Reply #15 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

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MOST workers need to accept real wage cuts, business says, warning jobs will be lost if unions and employees continue to expect inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements.

Productivity has improved year after year with none of the gains being passed on. Employees have a right to ask for a fair increase for the productivity increases already produced.

Have you borrowed Armie's armchair. Productivity has been slipping for over a decade.

Not on the employee side it hasn't - the part that management are responsible for has been atrocious.

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Reply #16 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

For as long as you Aussies are too cowardly to fill the streets in large numbers, on a regular basis, to strike and demonstrate, the corporate tyrants and their puppets in government will continue to squeeze more and more blood out of you.

Everything is bargaining. If you don't bargain, you loose. Wink

But for many decades the tyrants have used their media and told you that "whinging" is UnAustralian. Grin

So you unlearned to bargain and to stand up for your rights. You learned to put your head down submissively and lick their asses. And you were proud of it, because you thought, this is Austraaaaalian. Grin

They just fooled you, while they got rich of you.

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Reply #17 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

gone wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

For as long as you Aussies are too cowardly to fill the streets in large numbers, on a regular basis, to strike and demonstrate, the corporate tyrants and their puppets in government will continue to squeeze more and more blood out of you.

Everything is bargaining. If you don't bargain, you loose. Wink

But for many decades the tyrants have used their media and told you that "whinging" is UnAustralian. Grin

So you unlearned to bargain and to stand up for your rights. You learned to put your head down submissively and lick their asses. And you were proud of it, because you thought, this is Austraaaaalian. Grin

They just fooled you, while they got rich of you.

So when that nice union representative approaches you and asks if you wish to join the union, don't say no without thinking.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Reply #18 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:38pm

Bam wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

gone wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

For as long as you Aussies are too cowardly to fill the streets in large numbers, on a regular basis, to strike and demonstrate, the corporate tyrants and their puppets in government will continue to squeeze more and more blood out of you.

Everything is bargaining. If you don't bargain, you loose. Wink

But for many decades the tyrants have used their media and told you that "whinging" is UnAustralian. Grin

So you unlearned to bargain and to stand up for your rights. You learned to put your head down submissively and lick their asses. And you were proud of it, because you thought, this is Austraaaaalian. Grin

They just fooled you, while they got rich of you.

So when that nice union representative approaches you and asks if you wish to join the union, don't say no without thinking.

Depends, my friend! If the company I work for pays into the union, I won't join it. As soon as the company starts paying into the union, they UNDERMINE it. It becomes an oxymoron.

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Reply #19 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:03pm

Lobo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Kate Carnell....

She bought her own pharmacy business in Red Hill in 1981. She owned and managed the pharmacy until 2000.[1]

She was the inaugural chair of the ACT Branch of the Australian Pharmacy Guild,[4] serving in the position between 1988 and 1994.[5] as well as National Vice-President of the guild between 1990 and 1994.

Among other positions she was: Chairman of the Canberra and Southern District Pharmacists Company Ltd (1982–1992), Vice-President of the Retail Industry and Training Council, ACT (1987–1991), Councillor at the Australian Institute of Pharmacy Management (1990–1991), Member of the ACT Board of Health (1990–1991), and a Member of the Pharmacy Restructuring Authority (1990–1991).

Note, not only the positions, but the over-lapping dates of same.

All while running her own business???

Would I be wrong in presuming that she did all this extra work 'Pro Bono'??

Any reason why any of that would be relevant to the opinion she expressed ?

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Reply #20 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

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MOST workers need to accept real wage cuts, business says, warning jobs will be lost if unions and employees continue to expect inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements.

Productivity has improved year after year with none of the gains being passed on. Employees have a right to ask for a fair increase for the productivity increases already produced.

Have you borrowed Armie's armchair. Productivity has been slipping for over a decade.

Not on the employee side it hasn't - the part that management are responsible for has been atrocious.

Horseshit.

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Reply #21 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

Lobo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Kate Carnell....

She bought her own pharmacy business in Red Hill in 1981. She owned and managed the pharmacy until 2000.[1]

She was the inaugural chair of the ACT Branch of the Australian Pharmacy Guild,[4] serving in the position between 1988 and 1994.[5] as well as National Vice-President of the guild between 1990 and 1994.

Among other positions she was: Chairman of the Canberra and Southern District Pharmacists Company Ltd (1982–1992), Vice-President of the Retail Industry and Training Council, ACT (1987–1991), Councillor at the Australian Institute of Pharmacy Management (1990–1991), Member of the ACT Board of Health (1990–1991), and a Member of the Pharmacy Restructuring Authority (1990–1991).

Note, not only the positions, but the over-lapping dates of same.

All while running her own business???

Would I be wrong in presuming that she did all this extra work 'Pro Bono'??

Any reason why any of that would be relevant to the opinion she expressed ?

My view is that most of these would have been paid positions.

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Reply #22 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:22pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

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MOST workers need to accept real wage cuts, business says, warning jobs will be lost if unions and employees continue to expect inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements.

Productivity has improved year after year with none of the gains being passed on. Employees have a right to ask for a fair increase for the productivity increases already produced.

Have you borrowed Armie's armchair. Productivity has been slipping for over a decade.

Not on the employee side it hasn't - the part that management are responsible for has been atrocious.

Horseshit.

Why has it been slipping?

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Reply #23 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:29pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

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MOST workers need to accept real wage cuts, business says, warning jobs will be lost if unions and employees continue to expect inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements.

Productivity has improved year after year with none of the gains being passed on. Employees have a right to ask for a fair increase for the productivity increases already produced.

Have you borrowed Armie's armchair. Productivity has been slipping for over a decade.

Not on the employee side it hasn't - the part that management are responsible for has been atrocious.

Horseshit.

Yep, even horseshit is more productive than most management and higher up...

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Reply #24 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:32pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

I take it she's accepting an equivalent drop in salary and perks?

If not she can be quiet....

Australia's top executives are starting to see their large salary bases decline, as investors cast more scrutiny over remuneration packages.

But
while fixed pay has decreased, cash bonuses have risen
, with the bosses of Australia's leading companies still taking home almost
70 times the national average salary
.

Research by the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors and proxy advisory company Ownership Matters shows the average fixed salary for an ASX 100 executive fell 2.6 per cent to $1.9 million in the 2012 financial year. Including bonuses, Australia's top bosses took home
an average of $4.7 million ...

The 10-year trend, however, is much more stark, with executive fixed pay increasing almost three times as fast as inflation since 2002, and nearly 70 per cent faster than average wages growth

http://www.smh.com.au/business/ceos-take-home-70-times-average-salary-20130919-2...

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Reply #26 - Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:46pm

gone wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

For as long as you Aussies are too cowardly to fill the streets in large numbers, on a regular basis, to strike and demonstrate, the corporate tyrants and their puppets in government will continue to squeeze more and more blood out of you.

Everything is bargaining. If you don't bargain, you loose. Wink

But for many decades the tyrants have used their media and told you that "whinging" is UnAustralian. Grin

So you unlearned to bargain and to stand up for your rights. You learned to put your head down submissively and lick their asses. And you were proud of it, because you thought, this is Austraaaaalian. Grin

They just fooled you, while they got rich of you.

Haven't you heard of rthe game that used to run around Sydney - it's called 'Spot the Aussie' - in amongst all the immigrant groups who have ZERO idea what this country is about.

Where are these 'Australians' these days? All subsumed an inundated by crowds of people with no idea other than a hardscrabble existence.....

Perfect fodder to give the vote to and fill with stupid ideas about issues like Unionism and wage structures - things they have no idea of....

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Reply #27 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 4:55am

I strongly agree that if unions and employees continue to expect inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements it would result in total disaster.

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

the push to bring our wages to 3rd world standards is really in high gear now that the monkey is PM ...

business needs to accept that this isn't China and our wages need to match our costs of living ... when was the last time business accepted a cut in profits?

Majority of business are struggling and by pushing for inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements to pay for the increase in wages, all your doing is simply bankrupting the people who employ workers,

When i talk about business struggling i'm not talking about woolies, bunnies, Kmart, big business can handle inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements, but small/middle business like mine, just cant, and would ether push the rest of us overseas or bankruptcy, most business are struggling as bad as workers today.

Majority of business dont get corporate welfare and tax concessions often isnt that much, the left needs to stop views all business as one big business, because its not.

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Reply #28 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 4:59am

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

I take it she's accepting an equivalent drop in salary and perks?

If not she can be quiet....

Australia's top executives are starting to see their large salary bases decline, as investors cast more scrutiny over remuneration packages.

But
while fixed pay has decreased, cash bonuses have risen
, with the bosses of Australia's leading companies still taking home almost
70 times the national average salary
.

Research by the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors and proxy advisory company Ownership Matters shows the average fixed salary for an ASX 100 executive fell 2.6 per cent to $1.9 million in the 2012 financial year. Including bonuses, Australia's top bosses took home
an average of $4.7 million ...

The 10-year trend, however, is much more stark, with executive fixed pay increasing almost three times as fast as inflation since 2002, and nearly 70 per cent faster than average wages growth

http://www.smh.com.au/business/ceos-take-home-70-times-average-salary-20130919-2...

Its fascinating, 100 years ago, before minimum wage, before over regulations, wages for workers were increasing as fast as business profits, compare that to todays mess?

Seems to me free market capitalism worked better than today mixed economy.

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Re: Most Need To Accept Wage Cuts Business Says
Reply #29 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 6:44am

Pantheon wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 4:55am:

I strongly agree that if unions and employees continue to expect inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements it would result in total disaster.

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

the push to bring our wages to 3rd world standards is really in high gear now that the monkey is PM ...

business needs to accept that this isn't China and our wages need to match our costs of living ... when was the last time business accepted a cut in profits?

Majority of business are struggling and by pushing for inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements to pay for the increase in wages, all your doing is simply bankrupting the people who employ workers,

When i talk about business struggling i'm not talking about woolies, bunnies, Kmart, big business can handle inflation-linked pay rises without productivity improvements, but small/middle business like mine, just cant, and would ether push the rest of us overseas or bankruptcy, most business are struggling as bad as workers today.

Majority of business dont get corporate welfare and tax concessions often isnt that much, the left needs to stop views all business as one big business, because its not.

Not quite. Zero productivity growth means that wages track inflation closely. Wages fall behind inflation when productivity drops below zero.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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