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Reply #75 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Garfield. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

A quick test of the success of someone like Bolt is how much it causes the left to froth at the mouth and thrash about with a high degree of spasticity.

Bolt is useless and worthless - he only plays to the band, nobody who is not a dedicated conservative would listen to a word he has to say, he is absolutely irrelevant.

People who read or listen to bolt already agree with what they know he is going to say.

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Reply #77 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 8:37pm

And now, for some home truths ... Enjoy!

"The Whitlam legend has very little regard for facts. David Williamson this week hailed Gough for creating the first Australia Council. In fact the Australia Council was founded by Harold Holt and the Australia Council for the Arts put on an institutional footing by John Gorton.

Much that Whitlam did which is lionised as radical, forever shaping modern Australia, was simply the continuation of trends already present in Australia and pretty well universal in Western societies at the time. Whitlam is mightily praised for committing Labor to provide state aid to non-government, and especially Catholic, schools. But this was actually first done by Robert Menzies.

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The Whitlam legendising and myth-making is very dangerous for Australia. We are, as it were, the Labor Party writ large. We are idealising the very worst practices and policies of government and ignoring or denigrating the best. Whitlam’s economic record is utterly indefensible. It did serious, long-term damage. As Alan Mitchell argued in The Australian Financial Review this week: “Whitlam lost control of the budget in 1974-75 and it took 20 years and four prime ministers to get it back under control.”

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But that very loss of budget control contributes enormously to the Whitlam myth among ageing, leftie baby boomers. Apart from national defence, there is hardly a single area of policy or government activism in which Whitlam did not substantially increase government spending.

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We have been told countless time how much the Australian people loved Whitlam. Yet when they were asked to pass judgment on three years of Whitlam government they handed Labor the greatest single electoral defeat in Australian history. After the Australian people had time to think this all over and were given another chance with Whitlam as opposition leader in 1977, they repeated the judgment in marginally less severe terms.

We have been told relentlessly that Whitlam made us more self-confident. How can that possibly be so? He polarised us more than any previous prime minister, he wrecked the economy and he was roundly rejected at successive elections.

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But let’s look at one reasonably objective measure of confidence. In the last year of the Whitlam government more people emigrated from Australia than immigrated to Australia. We were so confident that record numbers of us wanted to live somewhere else, and the rest of the world was so confident about our future that none of them wanted to come and live here. Whitlam is lauded as the father of multiculturalism and a great liberal on ethnic and immigration issues. The inconvenient facts simply don’t bear this out.

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Similarly, it has been endlessly repeated this week that Whitlam brought the troops home from Vietnam. This is complete nonsense. The bulk of Australian combat troops left Vietnam in 1971. By the end of 1972, when Whitlam was elected, there was a tiny handful of army training advisers and a small group providing security for the Australian embassy. The army advisers had been scheduled to come out anyway and Whitlam left the small group looking after the Australian embassy in place.

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Conscription has been vastly exaggerated as an issue. Only about 19,000 conscripts ever served in Vietnam. Conscription by ballot applied only to a randomly selected minority of males of the relevant cohort of 20-year-olds. The Australian public supported the Vietnam commitment until 1970. But don’t mention any of this in polite company. For many baby boomers, having courageously rejected their various churches, nostalgia for Whitlam is the nearest they get to religious commitment.

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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: Andrew Bolts wife Reply #79 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:10pm Who needs facts when you have an aboriginal looking man playing a didge.
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Andrew Bolts wife Reply #80 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:19pm No thanks Herbie You link only sent me to a page asking if I wanted to subscribe to The Australian. The Australian? I guess that explains everything
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Reply #81 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Garfield. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

A quick test of the success of someone like Bolt is how much it causes the left to froth at the mouth and thrash about with a high degree of spasticity.

Bolt is useless and worthless - he only plays to the band, nobody who is not a dedicated conservative would listen to a word he has to say, he is absolutely irrelevant.

People who read or listen to bolt already agree with what they know he is going to say.

That's right, keep telling yourself that.

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Reply #82 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:44pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

matty wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

matty wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

matty wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Two things:

1. What is wrong with attcking someone's policies, after they have died? There is a big difference between celebrating someone's death and criticising their performance as PM.

2. Why did the lefties on here complaining not say anything when there were actually lefties celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher? Actually cdlebrating her dying, not criticising her policies.

Where is the rule that anyone must speak out ? Cheesy

Come again?

you were asking why the left didn't speak out when some cheered Thatchers death ... I asked you where is the rule that we must speak out?

There is no rule. It just strikes me a tad puzzlimg why you don't like people criticising Whitlam's performance as PM, but not people celbrating Thatcher dying.

because it's not my job to criticise things you object to ... do your own dirty work you lazy sod.

That wasn't the point at all. You're either dumb or deliberately trying to be.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Andrew Bolts wife Reply #83 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:45pm skippy. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:35pm: Stop trying to substantiate the rights abhorrent behaviour over Gough, Matty, we expect it from you. I will ask yet again, what is wrong with criticising someone's performance as PM?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Andrew Bolts wife Reply #84 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:47pm can you actually "play" a didgeridoo? 50,000 years and none of them figured out to put a few holes in the top to create different notes? It should not be classed as a musical instrument, its a hollow stick and nothing else.
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Reply #85 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

ian wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

can you actually "play" a didgeridoo? 50,000 years and none of them figured out to put a few holes in the top to create different notes? It should not be classed as a musical instrument, its a hollow stick and nothing else.

Have you never heard one played......not even at Whitlam's Service?

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Reply #86 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

ian wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

can you actually "play" a didgeridoo? 50,000 years and none of them figured out to put a few holes in the top to create different notes? It should not be classed as a musical instrument, its a hollow stick and nothing else.

Have you never heard one played......not even at Whitlam's Service?

I once heard a bloke playing "Dancing Queen" in the city on his didge.

I thought, that's ABBA-riginal. Cool

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See Profile For Update wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Reply #87 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:31pm

matty wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Stop trying to substantiate the rights abhorrent behaviour over Gough, Matty, we expect it from you.

I will ask yet again, what is wrong with criticising someone's performance as PM?

That depends, Matty. It would be unfair and completely scurrilous to criticise Mr Abbott. That man’s a tall glass of water.

The leftards are fair game.

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Reply #88 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:33pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

ian wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

can you actually "play" a didgeridoo? 50,000 years and none of them figured out to put a few holes in the top to create different notes? It should not be classed as a musical instrument, its a hollow stick and nothing else.

Have you never heard one played......not even at Whitlam's Service?

Yeh, its a pretty primitive music instrument. You do have to wonder why a stick that has a whole through its centre, never got any modifications to make it better.

Was it the people or was it the instrument of perfection. Ill let you decide.

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Andrew Bolts wife Reply #89 - Nov 6^th, 2014 at 10:36pm The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 9:19pm: You link only sent me to a page asking if I wanted to subscribe to The Australian. The Australian?
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