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Reply #15 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:41am

Conservative posters?

How do you balance Australia building it's food production to the world while selling coal and undermining action on climate change which will bring about more server and likely more time in droughts for Australia?

How can one support longer/deeper droughts so to destroy food production in Australia?

Or is this where multitudes of new dry white elephant dam poxing the landscape ... or toxic aquifers destroyed by fracking/csg come into play?

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Reply #16 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

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Reply #18 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

You can take your urban hatred and stick it. All regions create wealth and all regions deserve respect.

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Reply #19 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:47am

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

Im not putting the boot in. im asking if it earns enough export dollars to support the import requirements of a million people. I suspect the answer is no, as it would be for every city in Australia.

only rural and regional Australia pay their way (and then some) . this is very unjust as they receive sub standard services in areas of health education and infrastructure.

the greens worsen this position considerably by making a difficult job more difficult with their "green tape".

so even a simple thing like putting a new road across a creek to access a paddock now requires input from a bureaucrat. I note that they always approve such things once they have received their $$$ via some ridiculous 10 page form that needs to be filled out, late at night by some exhausted farmer.

enjoy your pine nut and eggplant salad greens, have a moccacino for me (or should that read "on me" ) Wink

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Reply #20 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:48am

Stratos wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

Australia could actually do well with a real agricultural/rural party.

Basically what the Nationals say they stand for, instead of being complete hacks.

a truer word was never spoken. Bob Katter understands some of the issues. as for clive.
I doubt i'd sit him on a horse for a campdraft. i'd have PETA on my case.

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Reply #22 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:54am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

Im not putting the boot in. im asking if it earns enough export dollars to support the import requirements of a million people. I suspect the answer is no, as it would be for every city in Australia.

only rural and regional Australia pay their way (and then some) . this is very unjust as they receive sub standard services in areas of health education and infrastructure.

the greens worsen this position considerably by making a difficult job more difficult with their "green tape".

so even a simple thing like putting a new road across a creek to access a paddock now requires input from a bureaucrat. I note that they always approve such things once they have received their $$$ via some ridiculous 10 page form that needs to be filled out, late at night by some exhausted farmer.

enjoy your pine nut and eggplant salad greens, have a moccacino for me (or should that read "on me" ) Wink

Protecting the environment, protecting the land, and in so protecting Australians is not Green Tape.

Attacking Australians by degrading our natural assets and so reducing the quality of life, and health of the people results in higher cost of living pressures on all households.

The gnats should be strung up for the long term damage they are causing just so foreign multinationals can shite on everyone, their toxins. The gnats are a pack of gutless loonies pretending to serve a purpose outside of being the dags on the rear end of the libs.

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Reply #23 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:56am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

Im not putting the boot in. im asking if it earns enough export dollars to support the import requirements of a million people. I suspect the answer is no, as it would be for every city in Australia.

only rural and regional Australia pay their way (and then some) . this is very unjust as they receive sub standard services in areas of health education and infrastructure.

the greens worsen this position considerably by making a difficult job more difficult with their "green tape".

so even a simple thing like putting a new road across a creek to access a paddock now requires input from a bureaucrat. I note that they always approve such things once they have received their $$$ via some ridiculous 10 page form that needs to be filled out, late at night by some exhausted farmer.

enjoy your pine nut and eggplant salad greens, have a moccacino for me (or should that read "on me" ) Wink

I think you unfairly blame 'greens' for this kind of red tape, Scoot - the simple fact is it is governments of all stamps who wrongly assume that Big Brother - i.e. themselves - knows best for you. It is simply not the Greens who set all this stuff in place - indeed - how could they when they've never held power?

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Reply #24 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:01am

Meanwhile, in breaking news here on KRUD News Network:-

The price of steak to the ordinary Australian household is set to zoom to new heights. Industry spokesman Iva Kowatu says the dire shortage of cattle for the beef market is the main driver of this enormous price rise, and says that the submission of Australian cattle producers to the 'global economy' has nothing to do with it.... He predicts confidently that Australians will be able to buy discounted beef for only $40-$50 a steak, and says there is no need for concern.

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Reply #25 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:04am

And as I have been telling you for a long time now, The Australian Agricultural Co, with its strategic land acquisitions and new abattoir just coming on-stream, is poised to reap a nice part of the benefits of this trade.

PS it's no coincidence that Twiggy Forrest and other entrepreneurs have been getting ginto the cattle business.

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Reply #26 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:04am

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

Im not putting the boot in. im asking if it earns enough export dollars to support the import requirements of a million people. I suspect the answer is no, as it would be for every city in Australia.

only rural and regional Australia pay their way (and then some) . this is very unjust as they receive sub standard services in areas of health education and infrastructure.

the greens worsen this position considerably by making a difficult job more difficult with their "green tape".

so even a simple thing like putting a new road across a creek to access a paddock now requires input from a bureaucrat. I note that they always approve such things once they have received their $$$ via some ridiculous 10 page form that needs to be filled out, late at night by some exhausted farmer.

enjoy your pine nut and eggplant salad greens, have a moccacino for me (or should that read "on me" ) Wink

Protecting the environment, protecting the land, and in so protecting Australians is not Green Tape.

Attacking Australians by degrading our natural assets and so reducing the quality of life, and health of the people results in higher cost of living pressures on all households.

The gnats should be strung up for the long term damage they are causing just so foreign multinationals can shite on everyone, their toxins. The gnats are a pack of gutless loonies pretending to serve a purpose outside of being the dags on the rear end of the libs.

If I offer to put on a buffet of vegan foods and Perrier mineral water and soy latee's , can I get a few green voters to come help me clear some lantana this weekend. Wink

By the way, you'd be amazed how many of the people who muster are vegetarian. you'd be amazed how much our animals love us.
heres one that follows me round trying to lick my Suzuki, also note that this paddock was solid lanatan when I bought it Wink

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Reply #27 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:09am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

Im not putting the boot in. im asking if it earns enough export dollars to support the import requirements of a million people. I suspect the answer is no, as it would be for every city in Australia.

only rural and regional Australia pay their way (and then some) . this is very unjust as they receive sub standard services in areas of health education and infrastructure.

the greens worsen this position considerably by making a difficult job more difficult with their "green tape".

so even a simple thing like putting a new road across a creek to access a paddock now requires input from a bureaucrat. I note that they always approve such things once they have received their $$$ via some ridiculous 10 page form that needs to be filled out, late at night by some exhausted farmer.

enjoy your pine nut and eggplant salad greens, have a moccacino for me (or should that read "on me" ) Wink

I think you unfairly blame 'greens' for this kind of red tape, Scoot - the simple fact is it is governments of all stamps who wrongly assume that Big Brother - i.e. themselves - knows best for you. It is simply not the Greens who set all this stuff in place - indeed - how could they when they've never held power?

good point grapples, pollies of all persuasions are only interested in votes and their simply aren't enough people on the land any more to be bothered with. this will result in large multinationals achieving economies of scale with feedlots, GM crops to feed the feedlots and a foul landscape.
greens should be right behind aussie farmers instaed of that nasty rant from greens wins. We (the family farmer) are much better for the landscape and for rural cohesion than these multi nationals will be .
I think the whole of rural austrlaia will be de populated multinational owned wasteland eventually. how sad

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Reply #28 - Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:10am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

I think the selling of high quality protein into south east asia is one area where we can earn much needed foreign exchange.
certainly the rapidly growing middle classes in china will have an appetite for our meat, milk and fruit.

rather then sell our land to the Asians, its far more sensible to sell them the produce.

even gough wanted to "buy back the farm"

the green policies on farming are disastrous and are already resulting in many bankruptcies and many farmers leaving the land and the younger generation not willing to stay.

we need the greens (most of whom are urban intellectuals) to admit that the farmers are the true custodians of the land.

the greens never visit, the aborigines (and I have nothing against aborigines) live in rural communities and aren't looking after the issues that the landscape now requires.

so it is up to the farmers to

1 make the export dollars to spend on the urban dwellers (most of whom produce nothing in terms of export dollars)

2 look after and rehabilitate the land from previous bad farming practices.

the farmers and the miners are the only hope the urban dwellers have.
tell me what a city like Adelaide earns in terms of currency for the country?
such cities exist as service centres for their own communities and are (in a way) parasitic on the productive sectors .

so I urge the greens not to mess with the farmers and miners (which is about all they've done for the last 20 years)

Adelaide has an international airport and reaps the reward from it via foreign tourists.

Adelaide has culture in things like Womadelaide. More tourism dollars.

Wine Districts of the Clair, Barossa, and Maclaren. S.A biggest percentage of country's wine exports.

Excellent education Hub for foreign students.

Excellent Renewable Energy Sector, with a progressive Greens fed government would boom even further.

Sports that created more foreign tourism, like the tour down under.

Many on the right put the boot into Adelaide via staving it of fresh water, Adelaide has a lot to offer.

Im not putting the boot in. im asking if it earns enough export dollars to support the import requirements of a million people. I suspect the answer is no, as it would be for every city in Australia.

only rural and regional Australia pay their way (and then some) . this is very unjust as they receive sub standard services in areas of health education and infrastructure.

the greens worsen this position considerably by making a difficult job more difficult with their "green tape".

so even a simple thing like putting a new road across a creek to access a paddock now requires input from a bureaucrat. I note that they always approve such things once they have received their $$$ via some ridiculous 10 page form that needs to be filled out, late at night by some exhausted farmer.

enjoy your pine nut and eggplant salad greens, have a moccacino for me (or should that read "on me" ) Wink

Neither will this support a million people etc... it will support a few handsomely........ all that will happen is that the cost will go up to cover all the tax concessions and dodges, including a near lack of income tax from workers involved - who will be minimal - and Australia will sink further into the economic mire created by its 'leaders' for the past thirty odd years of no real work, no real revenue from taxes and spending, and an esclating Black Hole in every Budget.

I await breathlessly the next Labor government and the sudden realisation they have, on entering office - that some enormous Black Hole of Budget exists.

NO incoming government EVER finds the house in order - according to THEIR control of the books.... just goes to show how much corporations are also allowed to fudge the books....

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