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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #15 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #16 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:58am

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

Please quote the section where negotiations are carrying on in secret Greens.....I read the article and could find no such reference???

Quote:

Negotiations over the future of Australia's Renewable Energy Target (RET) have broken down, with Labor telling the Government there is no value in continuing discussions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #17 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

Please quote the section where negotiations are carrying on in secret Greens.....I read the article and could find no such reference???

Quote:

Negotiations over the future of Australia's Renewable Energy Target (RET) have broken down, with Labor telling the Government there is no value in continuing discussions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

If it wasn't secret then you can state Labor's reduction target for RET.

Was it a reduction of 30% as Labor members are alleged to have leaked?

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Reply #18 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:04pm

The ret is set to 20%

The Liberals want to reduce it by 40% the Greens would not support that either.

The greens do not want Labor to do a deal to water it down either:

http://greens.org.au/news/vic/labor-moving-weaken-ret

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Victorian Greens leader Greg Barber says worrying signs are emerging that the Labor and Liberals parties will vote together to water down the Renewable Energy Target.

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Reply #19 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

Please quote the section where negotiations are carrying on in secret Greens.....I read the article and could find no such reference???

Quote:

Negotiations over the future of Australia's Renewable Energy Target (RET) have broken down, with Labor telling the Government there is no value in continuing discussions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

If it wasn't secret then you can state Labor's reduction target for RET.

Was it a reduction of 30% as Labor members are alleged to have leaked?

Labor have abandoned negotiations with no reduction in the RET....If you have proof of secret negotiations it is up to you to provide proof to back it up....So far all you have provided is baseless allegations and opinion!!!

Huh

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #20 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

The ret is set to 20%

The Liberals want to reduce it by 40% the Greens would not support that either.

The greens do not want Labor to do a deal to water it down either:

http://greens.org.au/news/vic/labor-moving-weaken-ret

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Victorian Greens leader Greg Barber says worrying signs are emerging that the Labor and Liberals parties will vote together to water down the Renewable Energy Target.

Victorian Greens leader Greg Barber has concerns that if labour backs the LNP, the Greens will be out of the race for a further unaccounted for $30 Million cash of voter money to buy the Greens vote!

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #21 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

Please quote the section where negotiations are carrying on in secret Greens.....I read the article and could find no such reference???

Quote:

Negotiations over the future of Australia's Renewable Energy Target (RET) have broken down, with Labor telling the Government there is no value in continuing discussions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

If it wasn't secret then you can state Labor's reduction target for RET.

Was it a reduction of 30% as Labor members are alleged to have leaked?

Labor have abandoned negotiations with no reduction in the RET....If you have proof of secret negotiations it is up to you to provide proof to back it up....So far all you have provided is baseless allegations and opinion!!!

Huh

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

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Reply #22 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm

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You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

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Reply #23 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:34pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ret-deal-off-the-only-certainty-i...

RET deal off: The only certainty is uncertainty for the clean energy industry

Liberal and Labor's Coal Donations to their parties are more important than the Renewable Energy Sector.

Shame Olds, Shame.

if an "industry" can't run on its own steam without government subsidies it SHOULD be closed down...

the question you need to ask is what HAVE YOU done about it?

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Reply #24 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

General True Blue wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ret-deal-off-the-only-certainty-i...

RET deal off: The only certainty is uncertainty for the clean energy industry

Liberal and Labor's Coal Donations to their parties are more important than the Renewable Energy Sector.

Shame Olds, Shame.

if an "industry" can't run on its own steam without government subsidies it SHOULD be closed down...

the question you need to ask is what HAVE YOU done about it?

So you do not support the $3 billion in fuel tax breaks for truckies, constructors, manufacturers and farmers.....Or are you a hypocrite???

Huh

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #25 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

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Reply #26 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #27 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

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Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Post 13.

Have you backtracked from your original position on this thread?

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #28 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

Please quote the section where negotiations are carrying on in secret Greens.....I read the article and could find no such reference???

Quote:

Negotiations over the future of Australia's Renewable Energy Target (RET) have broken down, with Labor telling the Government there is no value in continuing discussions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

If it wasn't secret then you can state Labor's reduction target for RET.

Was it a reduction of 30% as Labor members are alleged to have leaked?

Labor have abandoned negotiations with no reduction in the RET....If you have proof of secret negotiations it is up to you to provide proof to back it up....So far all you have provided is baseless allegations and opinion!!!

Huh

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

That's a long winded way to say the Greens are a young Party and love Coal being burnt even more so than LNP and Labour!

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #29 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

If it is secret how do you know about it.....Just another hysterical fear campaign the Greens are known for.....Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop.....Your assumptions about secret negotiations have no founding in reality and show once again how dishonest you are unless you can back up your bullshit!!!

Huh

Both parties have stated they are negotiating a reduction in the RET. And that is being done in secret.

(the link for Labor's position of reducing RET is in reply 7.)

Please quote the section where negotiations are carrying on in secret Greens.....I read the article and could find no such reference???

Quote:

Negotiations over the future of Australia's Renewable Energy Target (RET) have broken down, with Labor telling the Government there is no value in continuing discussions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

If it wasn't secret then you can state Labor's reduction target for RET.

Was it a reduction of 30% as Labor members are alleged to have leaked?

Labor have abandoned negotiations with no reduction in the RET....If you have proof of secret negotiations it is up to you to provide proof to back it up....So far all you have provided is baseless allegations and opinion!!!

Huh

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

That's a long winded way to say the Greens are a young Party and love Coal being burnt even more so than LNP and Labour!

I suggest comprehension lessons.

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