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Reply #30 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:22pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:48am:
As Labor found out with the GST, blanket opposition means you have no say in the final legislation.

I am serious tho in predicting the Greens will do a deal, getting some minor compromise that will never appear in reality.


My bet is they are holding out for $30 Million voter cash and then further unaccounted for, they did it with Gillard, and the money must now be drying up!
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Reply #31 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:30pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:22pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:48am:
As Labor found out with the GST, blanket opposition means you have no say in the final legislation.

I am serious tho in predicting the Greens will do a deal, getting some minor compromise that will never appear in reality.


My bet is they are holding out for $30 Million voter cash and then further unaccounted for, they did it with Gillard, and the money must now be drying up!



The Greens remain committed to the 41,000 target and desire to move towards 100 per cent renewables as soon as possible. Leader Christine Milne says there is nothing to negotiate, all but ruling out a Greens-coalition compromise.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/11/12/ret-future-uncertain-as-ta...
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Reply #32 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

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A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

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Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!
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Reply #33 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:40pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:30pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:22pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:48am:
As Labor found out with the GST, blanket opposition means you have no say in the final legislation.

I am serious tho in predicting the Greens will do a deal, getting some minor compromise that will never appear in reality.


My bet is they are holding out for $30 Million voter cash and then further unaccounted for, they did it with Gillard, and the money must now be drying up!



The Greens remain committed to the 41,000 target and desire to move towards 100 per cent renewables as soon as possible. Leader Christine Milne says there is nothing to negotiate, all but ruling out a Greens-coalition compromise.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/11/12/ret-future-uncertain-as-ta...



All but (definition) 1. very nearly.

Leader Christine Milne still refuses to show where the $30 Million cash money, from the voter, she accepted from Gillard is accounted for!
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Reply #34 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:43pm
 
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Reply #35 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



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A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.


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Reply #36 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:51pm
 
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Reply #37 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



Quote:
A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.




But not as much so as the Greens!
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #38 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:03pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



Quote:
A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.



Why are you so hung up about Labor when it's the Coalition that want to do the real damage by seeking to impose a 40% cut without negotiation or compromise?
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #39 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:09pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



Quote:
A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.




But not as much so as the Greens!



No pretence. Greens desire a 100% Renewable target considering Renewables are already cheaper than coal and gas in Australia. And the longer we avoid a 100% target the more disadvantage the Australian economy is exposed to via uncompetitive electricity prices.
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Reply #40 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:12pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



Quote:
A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.



Why are you so hung up about Labor when it's the Coalition that want to do the real damage by seeking to impose a 40% cut without negotiation or compromise?



Labor are not the friends of voters who require action on AGW via renewable energy. Labor are addicted to coal and coal donations to Labor.

For someone so switched on Bam, I am surprised by you ignorance.
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Reply #41 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:24pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:09pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



Quote:
A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.




But not as much so as the Greens!



No pretence. Greens desire a 100% Renewable target considering Renewables are already cheaper than coal and gas in Australia. And the longer we avoid a 100% target the more disadvantage the Australian economy is exposed to via uncompetitive electricity prices.


No pretence. Greens desire a 100% coal burning Australian future, and the Greens desire 100% that coal never do on them the election advertising they did to Howard!
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #42 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:29pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:09pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:32am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



Quote:
A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

Quote:
Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.




But not as much so as the Greens!



No pretence. Greens desire a 100% Renewable target considering Renewables are already cheaper than coal and gas in Australia. And the longer we avoid a 100% target the more disadvantage the Australian economy is exposed to via uncompetitive electricity prices.


No pretence. Greens desire a 100% coal burning Australian future, and the Greens desire 100% that coal never do on them the election advertising they did to Howard!



Two studies released today point the way for Prime Minister Gillard to lift Australia's emissions reduction targets to the ambitious levels that the science demands.

With the Prime Minister due to release her government's climate plans shortly, the Pew Centre has released a study of outback carbon showing the potential to sequester a billion tonnes of carbon with better management of our outback ecosystems.

Melbourne University's Energy Institute and Beyond Zero Emissions are also today officially publishing a report launched by Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, in Canberra last month showing that it is technically achievable for Australia to move to 100% renewable energy within a decade.

"These timely reports show the Prime Minister just how much can be achieved if we lift our sights and head for what the climate science demands - zero net emissions as fast as possible," Senator Milne said.

"I was delighted to launch the Zero Carbon Australia stationary energy report here in Canberra last month as it really lifts the bar for everyone else.

"You might not agree with everything in the report, but nobody should be able to get away anymore with simply asserting that it can't be done without being challenged to justify it.

"If Prime Minister Gillard, as expected, announced more ad hoc measures for individual renewable energy projects, she should be challenged as to why she is not planning for the full transformation of Australia's energy networks.

"Why will she not embrace a gross national feed-in tariff that can drive that transformation? Why is she sticking with policies that will keep renewable energy on the sidelines?

"The Pew Centre's Outback Carbon report similarly points the way to huge untapped emissions reductions if the government is willing to embrace them.

"We need substantial investment in techniques to measure terrestrial carbon and in helping the stewards of our land - indigenous people, farmers, land care groups - to make the changes needed to tap the huge potential that is there.

"The Australia government also needs to play a positive role in global negotiations to work out the best way to account for emissions and savings from this sector instead of playing spoiler as it has done for so many years.

"This is an exciting time. We could be making huge strides to improve our lives and protect the climate if only we could lift our sights to what we can and must achieve."

http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-an...
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Reply #43 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:36pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
[quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/41#41 date=1415766280][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/39#39 date=1415765389][quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/37#37 date=1415764713][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/35#35 date=1415764213][quote author=bam68 link=1415753144/32#32 date=1415763361][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/9#9 date=1415755967][quote author=GeorgeH link=1415753144/8#8 date=1415755790].

"The Australia government also needs to play a positive role in global negotiations to work out the best way to account for emissions and savings from this sector instead of playing spoiler as it has done for so many years.

"This is an exciting time. We could be making huge strides to improve our lives and protect the climate if only we could lift our sights to what we can and must achieve."

http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-an...


The Greens hold Australian Carbon Capture technology that halves power prices and reduces Carbon emissions to zero.

The Greens accepted from Gillard $30 Million cash of voters money, to conceal they held the technology and not to complain about Labour also concealing it!
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Reply #44 - Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:45pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:36pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
[quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/41#41 date=1415766280][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/39#39 date=1415765389][quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/37#37 date=1415764713][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/35#35 date=1415764213][quote author=bam68 link=1415753144/32#32 date=1415763361][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/9#9 date=1415755967][quote author=GeorgeH link=1415753144/8#8 date=1415755790].

"The Australia government also needs to play a positive role in global negotiations to work out the best way to account for emissions and savings from this sector instead of playing spoiler as it has done for so many years.

"This is an exciting time. We could be making huge strides to improve our lives and protect the climate if only we could lift our sights to what we can and must achieve."

http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-an...


The Greens hold Australian Carbon Capture technology that halves power prices and reduces Carbon emissions to zero.

The Greens accepted from Gillard $30 Million cash of voters money, to conceal they held the technology and not to complain about Labour also concealing it!




Is there any self interest in your propaganda?
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