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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #45 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:51pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

[quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/41#41 date=1415766280][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/39#39 date=1415765389][quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/37#37 date=1415764713][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/35#35 date=1415764213][quote author=bam68 link=1415753144/32#32 date=1415763361][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/9#9 date=1415755967][quote author=GeorgeH link=1415753144/8#8 date=1415755790].

"The Australia government also needs to play a positive role in global negotiations to work out the best way to account for emissions and savings from this sector instead of playing spoiler as it has done for so many years.

"This is an exciting time. We could be making huge strides to improve our lives and protect the climate if only we could lift our sights to what we can and must achieve."

http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-an...

The Greens hold Australian Carbon Capture technology that halves power prices and reduces Carbon emissions to zero.

The Greens accepted from Gillard $30 Million cash of voters money, to conceal they held the technology and not to complain about Labour also concealing it!

Is there any self interest in your propaganda?

No propaganda or self interest DaS Energy!

The self interest, deceit and propaganda from the Greens is pure clamber for another $30 Million cash from the voters never to be accounted for!

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #46 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

[quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/41#41 date=1415766280][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/39#39 date=1415765389][quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/37#37 date=1415764713][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/35#35 date=1415764213][quote author=bam68 link=1415753144/32#32 date=1415763361][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/9#9 date=1415755967][quote author=GeorgeH link=1415753144/8#8 date=1415755790].

"The Australia government also needs to play a positive role in global negotiations to work out the best way to account for emissions and savings from this sector instead of playing spoiler as it has done for so many years.

"This is an exciting time. We could be making huge strides to improve our lives and protect the climate if only we could lift our sights to what we can and must achieve."

http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-an...

The Greens hold Australian Carbon Capture technology that halves power prices and reduces Carbon emissions to zero.

The Greens accepted from Gillard $30 Million cash of voters money, to conceal they held the technology and not to complain about Labour also concealing it!

Is there any self interest in your propaganda?

No propaganda or self interest DaS Energy!

The self interest, deceit and propaganda from the Greens is pure clamber for another $30 Million cash from the voters never to be accounted for!

You know that's not true and you know the only reason you are trying to through dirt is because you have been told by a wide range, that das energy does not work.

That's the bottom line and the sooner you come to terms the sooner you can get on with your life.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #47 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 3:07pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

[quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/41#41 date=1415766280][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/39#39 date=1415765389][quote author=Waterloo1 link=1415753144/37#37 date=1415764713][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/35#35 date=1415764213][quote author=bam68 link=1415753144/32#32 date=1415763361][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/9#9 date=1415755967][quote author=GeorgeH link=1415753144/8#8 date=1415755790].

"The Australia government also needs to play a positive role in global negotiations to work out the best way to account for emissions and savings from this sector instead of playing spoiler as it has done for so many years.

"This is an exciting time. We could be making huge strides to improve our lives and protect the climate if only we could lift our sights to what we can and must achieve."

http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/outback-carbon-an...

The Greens hold Australian Carbon Capture technology that halves power prices and reduces Carbon emissions to zero.

The Greens accepted from Gillard $30 Million cash of voters money, to conceal they held the technology and not to complain about Labour also concealing it!

Is there any self interest in your propaganda?

No propaganda or self interest DaS Energy!

The self interest, deceit and propaganda from the Greens is pure clamber for another $30 Million cash from the voters never to be accounted for!

You know that's not true and you know the only reason you are trying to through dirt is because you have been told by a wide range, that das energy does not work.

That's the bottom line and the sooner you come to terms the sooner you can get on with your life.

Dream on!

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #48 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:37pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

You said

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Post 13.

Have you backtracked from your original position on this thread?

I stand by my comments....Labor have walked away from negotiations meaning they will not support any reduction in the RET full stop.....Of course this could change if there where secret negotiations going on as you claim but you have provided nothing to support this so I presume you where mistaken.....Labor tried to salvage the RET the Greens have once again shown it is all or nothing which makes negotiating with them a complete waste of time.....Either way the only way Abbott will change the RET is to deal with PUP.....Unless of course you can provide proof of the secret negotiations.....Still waiting???

Huh

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #49 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:41pm Yeah. Even if Labor allowed some decrease in the RET would that not be better than the Libs talking PUP and some of the other braindead Indie Senators to cancel the entire RET?
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #50 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

You said

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Post 13.

Have you backtracked from your original position on this thread?

I stand by my comments....Labor have walked away from negotiations meaning they will not support any reduction in the RET full stop.....Of course this could change if there where secret negotiations going on as you claim but you have provided nothing to support this so I presume you where mistaken.....Labor tried to salvage the RET the Greens have once again shown it is all or nothing which makes negotiating with them a complete waste of time.....Either way the only way Abbott will change the RET is to deal with PUP.....Unless of course you can provide proof of the secret negotiations.....Still waiting???

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

Why was Labor trying to water down RET. Without Labor, the Coalition can't get changes through the Senate. Labor why trying to do a dirty deal against RE interests and you still deny this. Is it that hard to admit you were wrong?

And Yes Greens will not deal with Labor and the Coalition to destroy the current RET, and I don't understand why you expect them to.

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #51 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:54pm G_W. As it's been a tad over 12 months now, G_W, can you tell me just what the Greens have obtained from this present Govt. that is superior to that which was offered by Labor?
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #52 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

Lobo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

G_W.

As it's been a tad over 12 months now, G_W, can you tell me just what the Greens have obtained from this present Govt. that is superior to that which was offered by Labor?

Huh

Greens have garnished the seeds of conservative defeat via the exposure of both old parties working against the interests of the majority of voters.

As in this thread, both Labor and Coalition have been scheming to water down RET.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #53 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

You said

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Post 13.

Have you backtracked from your original position on this thread?

I stand by my comments....Labor have walked away from negotiations meaning they will not support any reduction in the RET full stop.....Of course this could change if there where secret negotiations going on as you claim but you have provided nothing to support this so I presume you where mistaken.....Labor tried to salvage the RET the Greens have once again shown it is all or nothing which makes negotiating with them a complete waste of time.....Either way the only way Abbott will change the RET is to deal with PUP.....Unless of course you can provide proof of the secret negotiations.....Still waiting???

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

Why was Labor trying to water down RET. Without Labor, the Coalition can't get changes through the Senate. Labor why trying to do a dirty deal against RE interests and you still deny this. Is it that hard to admit you were wrong?

And Yes Greens will not deal with Labor and the Coalition to destroy the current RET, and I don't understand why you expect them to.

Note the carefully chosen word destroy, not dilute, tone done, reduce, but destroy.

verb: destroy; end the existence of.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #54 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:00pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

Lobo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

G_W.

As it's been a tad over 12 months now, G_W, can you tell me just what the Greens have obtained from this present Govt. that is superior to that which was offered by Labor?

Huh

Greens have garnished the seeds of conservative defeat via the exposure of both old parties working against the interests of the majority of voters.

As in this thread, both Labor and Coalition have been scheming to water down RET.

Froth and bubble.....

Now, once again....
What have the Greens obtained from this present Govt. that is superior to that which was offered by Labor?

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #55 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:02pm

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Greens have garnished the seeds of conservative defeat via the exposure of both old parties working against the interests of the majority of voters.

IF the Greens want to get more votes they should return to their original (Bob Brown) idea about THE ENVIRONMENT and CONSERVATION and keep their noses out of other stuff. Wink

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #56 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:07pm

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

You said

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Post 13.

Have you backtracked from your original position on this thread?

I stand by my comments....Labor have walked away from negotiations meaning they will not support any reduction in the RET full stop.....Of course this could change if there where secret negotiations going on as you claim but you have provided nothing to support this so I presume you where mistaken.....Labor tried to salvage the RET the Greens have once again shown it is all or nothing which makes negotiating with them a complete waste of time.....Either way the only way Abbott will change the RET is to deal with PUP.....Unless of course you can provide proof of the secret negotiations.....Still waiting???

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

Why was Labor trying to water down RET. Without Labor, the Coalition can't get changes through the Senate. Labor why trying to do a dirty deal against RE interests and you still deny this. Is it that hard to admit you were wrong?

And Yes Greens will not deal with Labor and the Coalition to destroy the current RET, and I don't understand why you expect them to.

Note the carefully chosen word destroy, not dilute, tone done, reduce, but destroy.

verb: destroy; end the existence of.

Diluting equates to renewable energy projects being scraped or moved overseas, renewable energy companies going broke, renewable workers losing their jobs.

If this isn't destruction, what is it?

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #57 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

Lobo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

Lobo wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

G_W.

As it's been a tad over 12 months now, G_W, can you tell me just what the Greens have obtained from this present Govt. that is superior to that which was offered by Labor?

Huh

Greens have garnished the seeds of conservative defeat via the exposure of both old parties working against the interests of the majority of voters.

As in this thread, both Labor and Coalition have been scheming to water down RET.

Froth and bubble.....

Now, once again....
What have the Greens obtained from this present Govt. that is superior to that which was offered by Labor?

I have answered. If you don't like my answer then that is your issue, not mine.

Greens are not here to appease labor on the wayward opinion labor could be fractionally less of a disaster than the coalition.

Both old parties are rotten to their core.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #58 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:12pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Quote:

You stated that Labor didn't support a reduction in RET. Have you backtracked from that position?

As for negotiation, what was labor's position at the negotiations. As for negotiations breaking down, this is just theatrics since it is in the interest of both olds to attack RET since the size of coal donations hinge on it.

Both old parties hate Renewable Energy and both old parties oppose Australia having a real agenda on action on reducing human caused climate change.

And on a side note to any labor voters at the last election reading this, did you support labor so labor could attack renewable energy?

Not at all.....Can you show me where Labor have claimed they will reduce the RET since this is your claim.....You also claimed the ALP where in secret negotiations with the Coalition but have refused to back it up.....Is this how the Greens conduct debates.....No wonder nobody trusts them!!!

Huh

Post 7. Bill Shorten stated Labor is out to shrink the RET. So have you backtracked?

And it was/will be in secret otherwise everyone would know the percentage Labor is out to attack the renewable energy target by.
This alleged 30% from Labor sources, can you refute this with fact? Would prefer facts over Labor sources.

Where did Bill Shorten state Labor is out to shrink the RET???

Provide the link to these alleged Labor sources who made this claim so I can see it in context....Over to you!!!

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

You said

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Post 13.

Have you backtracked from your original position on this thread?

I stand by my comments....Labor have walked away from negotiations meaning they will not support any reduction in the RET full stop.....Of course this could change if there where secret negotiations going on as you claim but you have provided nothing to support this so I presume you where mistaken.....Labor tried to salvage the RET the Greens have once again shown it is all or nothing which makes negotiating with them a complete waste of time.....Either way the only way Abbott will change the RET is to deal with PUP.....Unless of course you can provide proof of the secret negotiations.....Still waiting???

Huh

Quote:

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor offered a slight reduction in renewable energy output, but not as much as the Government wanted.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/negotiations-between-labor-and-coalition-o...

Why was Labor trying to water down RET. Without Labor, the Coalition can't get changes through the Senate. Labor why trying to do a dirty deal against RE interests and you still deny this. Is it that hard to admit you were wrong?

And Yes Greens will not deal with Labor and the Coalition to destroy the current RET, and I don't understand why you expect them to.

Note the carefully chosen word destroy, not dilute, tone done, reduce, but destroy.

verb: destroy; end the existence of.

Diluting equates to renewable energy projects being scraped or moved overseas, renewable energy companies going broke, renewable workers losing their jobs.

If this isn't destruction, what is it?

verb: destroy; end the existence of. See Queens English Oxford.

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #59 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:12pm Quote: I have answered. No you haven't.....
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