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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #75 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

Shorten himself admitted to being in negotiation, the problem was about the price, Labour didn't want to pay the price wanted by the LNP, but instead put a different offer on the table and the LNP said no!

The LNP now is negotiating with the Greens, hoping it not be as high as the previous agreement of $30 Million cash of voter money and unaccountable for by the Greens!

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #76 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Still waiting for proof of these secret negotiations.....You made the claim now back it up instead of deflecting!!!

Huh

Labor late on Tuesday walked away from weeks of private talks with the government on the new RET.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/ret-uncertainty-condemned-by-solar-pro...

“I won't go into the content of the negotiations but the Coalition was prepared to compromise. We are very disappointed that the Labor Party has walked away from these negotiations and we are keen to resume them if they reconsider their position.”

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/12/ret-talks-negotiations-break-down-...

Do you still deny Labor was negotiating to dilute RET after Bill Shorten said so?

Here is the post Phil. Just in case you missed it !

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26347 Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #77 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:30pm ____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:43pm: Poll Thanks for your input. Your poll adds so much to the debate. You're welcome - certainly a far more constructive addition than anything you provide.
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #78 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

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Thanks for your input. Your poll adds so much to the debate.

You're welcome - certainly a far more constructive addition than anything you provide.

Being an abbott sycophant, I understand your position.

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Reply #79 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 10:20am

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal

are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret

.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

This is the comment that provoked my response....Are you now walking away from the claim secret deals are going on to reduce the RET.....You are a very deceitful person Greens!!!

Smiley

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Behind close doors ... both negotiating to water down RET is secret.

What of that don't you understand.

Also have you back peddled from your original position?

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Reply 13

You claimed ARE working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret....You used the present tense not the past.....Your post suggests the ALP and Coalition are still doing a deal in secret.....Your claim not mine.....You are a deceitful person Greens!!!

Smiley

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #80 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 10:58am
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #81 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:10am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal

are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret

.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

This is the comment that provoked my response....Are you now walking away from the claim secret deals are going on to reduce the RET.....You are a very deceitful person Greens!!!

Smiley

Reply 71

Behind close doors ... both negotiating to water down RET is secret.

What of that don't you understand.

Also have you back peddled from your original position?

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Reply 13

You claimed ARE working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret....You used the present tense not the past.....Your post suggests the ALP and Coalition are still doing a deal in secret.....Your claim not mine.....You are a deceitful person Greens!!!

Smiley

Speaking of deceitful, have you backflipped from your original position
Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

or not?

Your jumping up and down comes across as an attempt to not answer this very basic question.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #82 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Labor and Liberal

are working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret

.

Both are the pawns of the Coal Lobby via donations to both parties. Which will jump higher?

This is the comment that provoked my response....Are you now walking away from the claim secret deals are going on to reduce the RET.....You are a very deceitful person Greens!!!

Smiley

Reply 71

Behind close doors ... both negotiating to water down RET is secret.

What of that don't you understand.

Also have you back peddled from your original position?

Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

Reply 13

You claimed ARE working on a deal to stitch up the renewable sector in secret....You used the present tense not the past.....Your post suggests the ALP and Coalition are still doing a deal in secret.....Your claim not mine.....You are a deceitful person Greens!!!

Smiley

Speaking of deceitful, have you backflipped from your original position
Quote:

Labor will not support a reduction in the RET full stop

or not?

Your jumping up and down comes across as an attempt to not answer this very basic question.

Labor have walked away from negotiations and will not support a reduction in the RET so my statement stands.....You however claimed secret negotiations were still continuing in an attempt to misrepresent the truth.....Do you still claim Labor are negotiating in secret to reduce the RET or will you admit this is a lie???

Huh

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #83 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Still waiting for proof of these secret negotiations.....You made the claim now back it up instead of deflecting!!!

Huh

Labor late on Tuesday walked away from weeks of private talks with the government on the new RET.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/ret-uncertainty-condemned-by-solar-pro...

“I won't go into the content of the negotiations but the Coalition was prepared to compromise. We are very disappointed that the Labor Party has walked away from these negotiations and we are keen to resume them if they reconsider their position.”

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/12/ret-talks-negotiations-break-down-...

Do you still deny Labor was negotiating to dilute RET after Bill Shorten said so?

As you can see here, I supplied proof there were secret negotiations between the coalition and the opposition to water down RET.

Both have negotiated in secret in the past, they will again negotiate in the future, and it is possible they are currently negotiating.

Both are on the same page and want to water down RET, since Bill Shorten is on the record as saying this.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #84 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Still waiting for proof of these secret negotiations.....You made the claim now back it up instead of deflecting!!!

Huh

Labor late on Tuesday walked away from weeks of private talks with the government on the new RET.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/ret-uncertainty-condemned-by-solar-pro...

“I won't go into the content of the negotiations but the Coalition was prepared to compromise. We are very disappointed that the Labor Party has walked away from these negotiations and we are keen to resume them if they reconsider their position.”

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/12/ret-talks-negotiations-break-down-...

Do you still deny Labor was negotiating to dilute RET after Bill Shorten said so?

As you can see here, I supplied proof there were secret negotiations between the coalition and the opposition to water down RET.

Both have negotiated in secret in the past, they will again negotiate in the future, and it is possible they are currently negotiating.

Both are on the same page and want to water down RET, since Bill Shorten is on the record as saying this.

The fact the ALP where prepared to negotiate a deal on the RET to ensure it remained viable is not in dispute.....You claimed secret negotiations ARE still going on which you have failed to support and still claim will happen in the future despite no evidence to support this claim.....How do you know what will happen in the future???

Huh

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #85 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:57pm The coalition needs labor and labor needs the coalition, in promoting and prolonging their coal addiction and their addiction to coal lobby donations to their parties into the future. It would be a brave person to expect the two evil empires not to work together and in secret so to fool some voters.
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #86 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

The coalition needs labor and labor needs the coalition, in promoting and prolonging their coal addiction and their addiction to coal lobby donations to their parties into the future.

It would be a brave person to expect the two evil empires not to work together, even in secret.

The Greens, Labour and LNP are the most close knit of all Australians in pursuit of a Coal burning future!

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #87 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:03pm

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

The coalition needs labor and labor needs the coalition, in promoting and prolonging their coal addiction and their addiction to coal lobby donations to their parties into the future.

It would be a brave person to expect the two evil empires not to work together, even in secret.

The Greens, Labour and LNP are the most close knit of all Australians in pursuit of a Coal burning future!

See what tune you are humming in 2016.

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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #88 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:07pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

The coalition needs labor and labor needs the coalition, in promoting and prolonging their coal addiction and their addiction to coal lobby donations to their parties into the future.

It would be a brave person to expect the two evil empires not to work together, even in secret.

See what tune you are humming in 2016.

Why, the bands already playing The Greens, Labour and LNP are the most close knit of all Australians in pursuit of a Coal burning future!

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again Reply #89 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:58pm Meantime, out of GW’s deluded brain it is Lambie WANTING to vote to kill the RET. Palmer is getting furious with her. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/11/13/policy-politics/will-lamb...
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