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Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again (Read 5830 times)
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Reply #90 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:05pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
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St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 11:29am:
A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

Trouble is, it is the COALition that are in government and who are making up rubbish about "real" 20% targets that are only designed to create uncertainty and destroy jobs.

Labor has been negotiating a reduction. The coalition have fat chance yet Labor are working with them to find a number to reduce renewable energy by.



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A slight reduce according to leaks from the Labor Party is 30% cuts while the Libs want 40%.

You really expect others to believe that just on your say-so?

I stated on most of my posts 'alleged'. Making it clear it wasn't factual yet since Labor is working with the Libs behind close doors to find a number to reduce RET by.

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Shame both old parties. The RET should be lifted, not attacked for personal party advantage via coal donations.

Save your shaming for the ones that deserve it. The Coalition. They are the only parties that are actively seeking to savage the RET. If Labor was also wanting to savage the RET, a deal would have been done months ago!

It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy and stretch negotiations since this undermines investment and jobs and hurts the coalition more politcally since the majority of voters support renewable energy.



Why are you so hung up about Labor when it's the Coalition that want to do the real damage by seeking to impose a 40% cut without negotiation or compromise?



Labor are not the friends of voters who require action on AGW via renewable energy. Labor are addicted to coal and coal donations to Labor.

For someone so switched on Bam, I am surprised by you ignorance.

There's only one person who seems ignorant in this discussion, and it's not me.

I refer you to Mark Butler's letter to Ian Macfarlane dated 11/11/14, which has been released to the general public. I quote an excerpt from that letter:
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Labor's position has always been guided by the need for Australia to have a sustainable renewable energy sector. Labor supports growing our renewable energy sector because it is important to Australia's energy future. A strong renewable energy sector will keep downward pressure on power prices, support new clean energy jobs through continued investment and contribute to reducing Australia's carbon emissions.
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Labor will not stand by and watch billions of dollars of investment in the Australian renewable energy sector -- along with thousands of jobs -- go overseas because of deep cuts to the target.

Labor will continue to advocate for a strong and growing renewable energy sector for Australia -- we will not be party to a plan that kills jobs and investment, increases pollution and forces power prices to rise.

Your assertion that "Labor are addicted to coal and coal donations to Labor" appears to be baseless. If you have solid evidence to the contrary, please show us.

You also make clear assertions that "It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy". This is a strong remark to make. If you're going to make this kind of remark, it would be far better if it was backed up with firm evidence rather than the unfounded speculation it appears to be.

Far from Labor and Liberals colluding to smash the RET, it is abundantly clear that the Coalition are attempting to bully Labor into a reduction in the RET and Labor won't support any action that will undermine investment or jobs in the renewable energy sector.

You have been quite unreasonable in your unfounded criticism of Labor, when it was the Liberals who explicitly promised no change to the RET before the last election. Where is your criticism of the Liberals for breaking a clear election promise?
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Re: Abbott/Shorten Undermine RET Again
Reply #91 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:11pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:05pm:
____ wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
[quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/35#35 date=1415764213][quote author=bam68 link=1415753144/32#32 date=1415763361][quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1415753144/9#9 date=1415755967][quote author=GeorgeH link=1415753144/8#8 date=1415755790]A slight reduction. You know, give and take in negotiation. Greens should learn the art of negotiation!

You said Labor wouldn't reduce the RET.

If Labor were in office, they probably wouldn't.

You also make clear assertions that "It is in Labor's political interest to pretend they are a friend of renewable energy". This is a strong remark to make. If you're going to make this kind of remark, it would be far better if it was backed up with firm evidence rather than the unfounded speculation it appears to be.
You have been quite unreasonable in your unfounded criticism of Labor, when it was the Liberals who explicitly promised no change to the RET before the last election. Where is your criticism of the Liberals for breaking a clear election promise?


Rudd and Abbott saw what Coal did to Howard. Rudd capitalised on it, and LNP wont let that happen again!
Keep the Coal fires burning the LNP is yearning keep us on the gravy train, we too old to start again!
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Reply #92 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 9:42pm
 
Some of the stakes in the RET negotiations:

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The high stakes political standoff over the renewable energy target will freeze new investment, cause the collapse of existing projects and within a few years trigger a “penalty” provision that would hike power bills by three times as much as the now-repealed carbon tax.

The renewable energy industry, Labor and the Greens are adamant these dire consequences are entirely the fault of the Abbott government, accusing the Coalition of breaking its election promise to keep the RET, abandoning bipartisanship over the policy and proposing drastic cuts to the target that would be even worse for the industry.

The Labor leader, Bill Shorten, said there was no point continuing with the talks “because Tony Abbott is a climate change sceptic and election promise breaker” and “there is no point in leading people up the garden path” or having negotiations with people who didn’t want to negotiate.

Labor has now joined the Greens and the Palmer United party in staring down the government, refusing to make major changes to the target that requires Australia to install 41,000 gigawatt hours of renewable energy by 2020.

The environment minister, Greg Hunt, said the government was “surprised” by Labor’s decision and “our door remains open”. He said the 41,000 gigawatt hour target was “neither sustainable nor achievable.”

The opposition’s high stakes strategy relies on public pressure forcing the government to back down and publicly agree to keep the RET.

If it does not, uncertainty will mean investment stalls anyway, the price of renewable energy certificates will remain around half what existing projects had factored in to their financing and within one or two years there will be no certificates for electricity retailers to buy.

When that happens the RET legislation requires retailers to pay a penalty price of $92 per megawatt hour – an outcome that would cause an increase in the average power bill of about 30%. The carbon tax increased electricity bills by about 9%, and many households received compensation for its impact.


30% increase in power bills. Made it worthwhile trying to negotiate something that avoided those dire consequences. Abbott seems happy to wreck the RET regardless of 30% power price increases.

REALLY is time the Libs dumped him.
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Reply #93 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 10:38pm
 
So much for GW’s hysterical claims if 30% reduction in RET:

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The government had another setback on the climate front on Wednesday when the opposition broke off negotiations on modifying the Renewable Energy Target (RET).

The Coalition wants to reduce the current target of 41,000 gigawatt hours of renewable energy by 2020 to around 26,000. Opposition leader Bill Shorten said Labor was willing to accept a figure “between the mid and high 30,000s”.


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