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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #30 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:09am

Reducing Carbon appears now to be the catch phrase for introducing technology disfavouring fossil fuels.

Australian technology passed to China and China now pass to America upsets the fossil fuel industry!

Due to efficiencies that cannot be matched by Steam the old is being replaced with the new, the old are shrill to their monetary loss much like the beast breeder at the coming of Steam!

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Reply #31 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:23am

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!!

Roll Eyes

2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW.

I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports.

Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

You're getting the horn over nothing.

Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit.

And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way.

All hot air and CO2.

That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition.

The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election.

Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets.

All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here.

100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #32 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:29am

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!!

Roll Eyes

2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW.

I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports.

Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

You're getting the horn over nothing.

Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit.

And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way.

All hot air and CO2.

That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition.

The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election.

Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets.

All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here.

100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S….

Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already.

Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #33 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!!

Roll Eyes

2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW.

I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports.

Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

You're getting the horn over nothing.

Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit.

And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way.

All hot air and CO2.

That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition.

The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election.

Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets.

All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here.

100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S….

Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already.

Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

As for the republicans winning when they were suppose to, doesn't mean they can win California, Florida, Texas, the big states where they are falling behind. Democrats winning 2016 is still likely. Go Clinton !

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #34 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:48am

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 9:09am:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!!

Roll Eyes

2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW.

I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports.

Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

You're getting the horn over nothing.

Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit.

And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way.

All hot air and CO2.

That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition.

The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election.

Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets.

All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here.

100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S….

Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already.

Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

Energy is used in transport, construction and manufacture.

Halving the cost of energy used by transport, construction and manufacture means there is more profit in the transport, construction and manufacture feilds.

This profit increase may lead to a greater amount of transport, construction, and manufacture, which in turn may increase employment.

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #35 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #36 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

You have listed all the non efficient green energy that has the fullest of Greens backing.

As with much of Australia you not be aware of the green energy the Greens conceal and oppose out of fear they may upset Coal at election time.

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Reply #37 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will:

Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require.
Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations.
Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.
IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY

Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now.

Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs. It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels.

LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY

The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies.

DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION

The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600.

PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY

Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework.

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #38 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:49pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will:

Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require.
Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations.
Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.
IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY

Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now.

Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs. It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels.

LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY

The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies.

DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION

The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600.

PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY

Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework.

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

By that list there's not a lot the Greens wont do! Utopia on its way!

100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it.

Still no where to be seen, we will cease our 100% opposition to efficient green energy that has already been achieved, and would bring Coal election time advertising against the Greens should the Greens support Green energy!

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Reply #39 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:57pm

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will:

Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require.
Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations.
Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.
IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY

Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now.

Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs. It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels.

LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY

The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies.

DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION

The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600.

PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY

Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework.

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots.

I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work.
Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero.

My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph.

Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.

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Re: China USA Agree To Reduce Greenhouse Gases
Reply #40 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

____ wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

The greens must be giving their crack pipes a good workout if they believe renewable energy can supply 100% of our energy needs.

Solar does not work on cloudy days, wind turbines have a minimum start up windspeed which means they don't work in low winds.

Solar thermal is an expensive lemon, the largest solar thermal plant in the USA is seeking a huge bailout because it has failed to perform, the solar thermal plant is also frying birds that fly near it.
The solar thermal plant has to burn gas to run....

Coal accounts for nearly 15% of our exports, the greens want to shut that down along with the live animal trade,the Greens will inflict financial buggery on Australians if given a chance.

The Greens support 100% renewable energy as quickly as we can achieve it. To get there, the Greens’ Clean Energy Roadmap will:

Increase the Renewable Energy Target to 90% by 2030. This will give investors and electricity network regulators the long‐term policy certainty they require.
Increase Clean Energy Finance to $30 billion over ten years, providing an injection of $3 billion per year, to drive commercialisation of emerging technology and help Australia catch‐up with leading renewable energy nations.
Improve national electricity transmission planning to cost effectively exploit our huge renewable energy resources.
IT’S POSSIBLE TODAY

Landmark research by the Australian Energy Market Operator, as well as independent academics, has clearly shown that a clean energy Australia is possible. We can power Australia with the wind, sun, and water for a cost similar to replacing the ageing coal and gas plants that are nearing the end of their lives now.

Renewable energy is getting cheaper, while gas and coal plants will face increasing carbon pollutions costs. It’s better for the climate, our air and water, our health – and for jobs. Renewables employ more people per unit of energy than polluting fossil fuels.

LONG‐TERM VISION FOR CLEAN ENERGY

The Renewable Energy Target needs to be extended, expanded and secured until we have 100% renewable energy in Australia. Only the Greens have a plan to make Australia the best place in the world to build clean energy, by increasing the RET to 90% by 2030 and extending it year on year after that. The Renewable Energy Target is a successful, tripartisan policy that provides investment certainty and is helping investors build wind, solar and more. But it runs out in 2020, and Tony Abbott’s Coalition has spent months pretending to support it while sending MPs out to extreme anti‐wind rallies.

DRIVING THE TRANSFORMATION

The Clean Energy Finance Corporation is a world‐leading, independent group of experts tasked with commercialising emerging clean energy to benefit all Australians. The Greens have built the foundations by creating the CEFC, and it will start its investments on July 1 this year, building solar plants, wind farms and investing in energy efficiency in manufacturing. But we need to take the next steps, or we won’t cut pollution enough to avert the worst impacts of global warming. That’s why we plan to increase Clean Energy Finance to $3 billion per year, for the next ten years. An overall investment of $30 billion for a cleaner future.Printed and authorised by Senator Christine Milne, Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600.

PLANNING FOR 100% CLEAN ENERGY

Australia also needs to plan and roll‐out an electricity transmission system that opens up massive investment and job opportunities in new areas abundant in sun, wind or geothermal resources. To build the right transmission links in the right place at the right time and at the right scale, the Greens' will make the Australian Energy Market Operator a single, independent planning agency to administer a national transmission planning and reliability framework.

greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap

This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots.

I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work.
Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero.

My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph.

Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.

ARe you really this ignorant? Or are you just taking the piss?

http://bze.org.au/zero-carbon-australia-2020

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Reply #41 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

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greens.org.au/clean-energy-roadmap
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This 100% renewable energy shows the greens have lost the plot, it could be argued they were always dopey idiots.

I have tried the 100% renewable energy on my yacht it does not work.
Solar panels are useless on overcast days, get a cloud blocking the sun and output drops to zero.

My wind turbine does not work in winds less than 10kph.

Solar and wind does not work on cloudy days with no wind, this 100% renewable target is BS.
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ARe you really this ignorant? Or are you just taking the piss?

[url]http://bze.org.au/zero-ca

Someone is taking the piss!

Stationary Energy Plan

• Demonstrates that 100% renewable energy is achievable and affordable

• Designs a fully costed and detailed system of concentrated solar thermal plants and large scale wind farms, provided the sun shine and wind blow as required!

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Reply #43 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Now if Abbott hadn't mucked about with the existing programs and policies already in place before he rose to power on a litany of lies we would already be on par with the yanks and chinese but in just 12 mths he has put us way behind.

Appeasing the tax dodging mining billionaires now looks pretty stupid hey one term tony Cheesy

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Good on the Greens for not locking Australia into a path of failure via Labor's original dirty CPRS.

Yes much better to have nothing to build on accept total destruction of our economy.....China have stated they will reduce consumption of coal which is bad news for our exports.....What Australia needs is a market mechanism that will allow a transition to renewable energy over time that corresponds with the reduction in the worlds reliance on coal....Revenue from an ETS could be used to help worker transition into other industries and help fund innovation to provide jobs in other areas of the economy.....Direct Action is an expensive stop gap that provides no security for investment or revenue to fund alternative programs to create jobs.....Abbott is a fools fool!!!

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2016 is likely an election on our future path concerning AGW.

I suspect Greens will go to the election with a 100% renewable energy target within 10 years and plans on starting to shift Australia away from coal exports.

Do you expect Lib or Lab to outdo this?

You're getting the horn over nothing.

Obama is already being smashed by the Republicans about this, the new senate leader is from Kentucky, that state has major coal mining industry. His "deal" with China isn't worth spit.

And the Chinese have signed up basically to do nothing and any targets are non binding any way.

All hot air and CO2.

That in highlight above would spell doom....."Greens threaten 100,000's of jobs and billions in revenue" - Dumb

Yet he was specific about a minute part of the deal so to spin a negative. What anyone would expect of an opposition.

The 2016 presidential elections will centre on similar issues to Australia's 2016 federal election.

Ending coal addiction and the country's approach to climate change, including new targets.

All good for environmental thinking parties like the Greens in both countries while disadvantaging denialists like the Republicans in the US and the Abbott mob here.

100% renewable energy target by 2026 for Australia. This is likely to be the Greens position and think of all the jobs, jobs, jobs.

Green energy won’t replace the jobs lost, don’t make dumb claims f>f>S….

Obama and the democrats will be slaughtered, as they were in the mid terms. They are smashing him with this bullcrap, non binding “deal” already.

Just like every party will smash the greens if they start telling the country they will wind up coal in a decade.

Green energy will create jobs, especially a 100% renewable target in 10 years. And consider the percentage of workers in coal in Australia is tiny, good chance it will.

Then there is the other angle where 100% renewable energy will lower the price of electricity in Australia since renewables are already cheaper than coal/gas here.

reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-6...

This will assist the manufacturing sector in the country and also it will decrease cost of living pressures on households.

By opposing Greens 100% Renewable Energy Target in 10 years, you are supporting uncompetitive electricity prices for Australia compared with the rest of the world.

As for the republicans winning when they were suppose to, doesn't mean they can win California, Florida, Texas, the big states where they are falling behind. Democrats winning 2016 is still likely. Go Clinton !

Texas!!!!

I didn't oppose it, i'm saying the electorate and the other parties will tear a hole through the greens if they propose it.

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