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Reply #1 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 3:05pm
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 3:58pm
 
More than a few, actually.....

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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 2:11pm
 
Let's hope the research leads to a cure.
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 2:26pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 2:11pm:
Let's hope the research leads to a cure.

judging by some of those on here, I think a cure is beyond the realms of possibilities
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Reply #5 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 12:52am
 
These "studies" are littered with the morality (hence prejudice) of the authors. (Some of the studies in the link actually find similar numbers of stupid people in both camps). The problem with these "studies" is that there is a tendency to conflate certain moral positions with abstract reasoning. They are not the same thing, and neither does being able to think abstractly automatically lead to the moral positions the authors favour.

I commented before on a "study" that was posted here several times and it had the same problem - the authors had already decided in advance what moral positions were superior. They then worked backwards from this point in order to justify their stance.

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Reply #6 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 4:30am
 
There was another recent study called the Rudd/Gillard government where the left were given free rein to show how smart they really were, this resulted in a large number of deaths and a crippling of the economy and had to be abandoned before the whole experiment imploded.
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Reply #7 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 6:11am
 
Then the Abbott govt came in and the economy DID implode and it was entirely their own work.

Bah, childish partisan crap!

There was a GFC. We could either have done nothing in which case one bank at least would have fallen over, unemployment would have exceeded 10% and the deficit would have headed rapidly to $1Trn. This happened in most other advanced economies.

Or you spend $40Bn in Keynesian spending and provided guarantees to bank borrowings and deposits. About $16bn of the $40bn came back to the govt sector as tax—income, GST, company and the bank guarantee earned money for the govt.

So the Rudd govt did exactly the right thing in 2008–10, apart from giving a tax cut in 2008.

The Gillard govt saw work on fiscal consolidation. The baby bonus went, the private health rebate got means tested and the PS faced a regular flow of efficiency dividends.

So why did the economy not recover like it did in 1996–7?

2001-7 were not recession years. They were years of real estate boom, borrow, spend, borrow again on increased house values. Howard and Costello encouraged people to borrow and spend and fed tax cuts and pork by the truckload into an overheated economy, did nothing to remove economic bottlenecks. Came 2008—suddenly house prices weren’t rising anymore and the talk was all doom and gloom.

This indebtedness of the private sector is one reason economic activity is sluggish. Because of this sluggishness businesses are going broke and “For Lease” signs are sprouting up everywhere.

There is $50Bn in tax expenditures that need to be cut. FBT and the Age Pension eligibility tests tightened up heaps. To improve revenue flows, the last 3 tax cuts on the top two brackets need to be reversed. That and only that will give a boost to government revenue and the Budget bottom line. Then boost NewStart by $100/week, the pensions by $50/week and suddenly there is substantial private sector spending. Strong action against tax dodging by huge companies will further improve the Budget bottom line.

Putting in a proper ETS, running out the real NBN and there will be hope for the future.

Sadly, the stupid, irresponsible shambles will keep doing the opposite of the above standard economic management.
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Reply #8 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:37am
 
Garfield. wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 4:30am:
There was another recent study called the Rudd/Gillard government where the left were given free rein to show how smart they really were, this resulted in a large number of deaths and a crippling of the economy and had to be abandoned before the whole experiment imploded.


Yes, I was thinking that as well.

I'll bet there is a friendly right wing publication that pours a bucket of slime over people who cleave to left ideas and ideals.


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Reply #9 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:47am
 
Gawd, I love the contributions of Saladin.

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"Progressives" Aren't Progressive

  At my university I was sitting at one interminably long meeting where sadly much time is wasted and little gets done. But during one of the discussions the person who was the leader made the point that there are faculty members of different political persuasion (a piece of vital information we all needed to be provided) and divided them into two groups, conservative and progressive. By this was meant something simply descriptive and showing not kind of bias at all.

  Sadly, many people even at universities and colleges, ones who ought to know better, accept some of these labels without question. Yet given how the labels derive from words that have pretty clear meaning in our language, what those words from which they derive mean has an influence in how the labels will be understood.

  Thus, conservatism derives from the perfectly ordinary word "conserve." And this means to hold over, to stay the course, to avoid changes, at least basic ones. Conservatives, in fact, are generally taken to be those who promote forging laws and public policies by holding on to what had been the practice in the past. Those who actually embrace this method have a very interesting argument for why they promote this, nothing to dismiss blithely. So to label people "conservative" is to suggest, pretty strongly, that they want to keep with customs, laws, policies of the past. Yet one can bet that a whole lot of those called conservatives aren’t exactly like that at all. Many of them simply urge that we be careful when we make changes, not embrace some untried fad, not abandon something that has worked rather well even if not perfectly. But the label "conservative" does not include these necessary qualifications.

  It is even worse with "progressive." It’s usually the people on the Left who joyfully choose to be called "progressive"—there are several left of center and far Left publications that contain "progressive" in their title, for example. In this instance, however, the designation fails to fit altogether. That is because instead of moving forward, getting away from past practices, in short, instead of making progress, those on the Left are actually regressive, even reactionary, in their politics. I give you one major example.

  Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, the fathers of the modern Left, proposed, in their Communist Manifesto, as their first order of business the abolition of private property. They and thousands of intellectuals who followed in their ideological lead over the last century and a half have believed, often sincerely, that this made them all progressives. But that is just not so.

  In the era prior to the rise of modern capitalism there was virtually no acknowledgement of the right to private property for all but some at the top. It is government—by way of the monarch such as the king or czar or pharaoh—who was deemed to own everything. So when ordinary folks like you and me occupied and worked some plot of land, for example, the government had to grant this privilege. We had no right to private property, only a grant of privilege and we all had to pay taxes for it to boot. (Remember that Robin Hood didn’t steal from the rich but from those who took taxes from us all, seeing how unjust this was!)

  Clearly, then, the rejection of private property rights was part and parcel of much of pre-capitalist political economy, where it was government that deemed itself authorized to grant people rights. The idea that the individual has a natural—pre-political, pre-legal—right to private property was a radical, actually progressive notion which unseated government from its high and might position, robbed it of its phony sovereignty.

Etc.

http://solohq.org/Articles/Machan/Progressives_Arent_Progressive.shtml


Seems like progressive roos have found their way into the paddocks of alleged progressives. (progressive = left).
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Reply #10 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:52am
 
Any Marxist Leninists here? Didn’t think so.

Progressives want to overturn outdated laws, practices etc. Monarchy, laws favoring vested interests, actions that harm the environment and so on.

The Abbott govt is not conservative so I fail to see the point of the OP.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 12:52am:
These "studies" are littered with the morality (hence prejudice) of the authors. (Some of the studies in the link actually find similar numbers of stupid people in both camps). The problem with these "studies" is that there is a tendency to conflate certain moral positions with abstract reasoning. They are not the same thing, and neither does being able to think abstractly automatically lead to the moral positions the authors favour.

Oo! Scare quotes!

Did you read the links? Or did you post this garbage without bothering?

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I commented before on a "study" that was posted here several times and it had the same problem - the authors had already decided in advance what moral positions were superior. They then worked backwards from this point in order to justify their stance.

Yes, the climate change deniers have a lot of dubious methodologies. I hope you are adept at spotting them.
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Reply #12 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:00am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:52am:
Any Marxist Leninists here? Didn’t think so.


Are you serious? The place is crawling with them...when they drop the act and admit it.
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Reply #13 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:02am
 
Since they haven’t “dropped the act” how could you know this board is a nest of MLs?
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salad in wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:47am:
Gawd, I love the contributions of Saladin.


I don't see why ...

only a fool would try to counter the result of multiple studies with an opinion piece, and think it was sufficient  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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