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Reply #15 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:03pm
 
The Russians behavior for months regarding their support for terrorists in Unraine has been appalling.
It is they who are causing animosity in global relations with their antagonistic actions and now their refusal to openly allow investigators to the site where rebels shot a plane down.
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Reply #16 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Dave Cameron has also used the G20 platform to make similar remarks on Russia's behavior.

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Russia could face further sanctions unless it stops "destabilising" Ukraine, David Cameron has said.
Speaking at the G20 summit in Brisbane, Mr Cameron said there would "have to be a very different relationship" between Europe and Russia if "we continue to see Russian troops" inside Ukraine.
The UK prime minister is meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Russia has denied its troops are in Ukraine, but it has previously said Russian "volunteers" may be fighting.
Before the private discussion with Mr Cameron, Mr Putin said EU and US sanctions were a mistake, were against international law and would harm the global economy as well as Russia.
Speaking to the BBC, Mr Cameron said: "What we need to see is Russia respecting the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the right of this country to choose its own future."
He said that could lead to a "good future" for Ukraine, and for relations between Europe, Britain and Russia.
"But if Russia continues to destabilise Ukraine and we continue to see Russian troops and Russian tanks inside Ukraine then there is going to have to be a very different relationship between Britain and Europe on one hand and Russia on the other, and the potential for further sanctions," he said.
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Reply #17 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
The Russians behavior for months regarding their support for terrorists in Unraine has been appalling.
It is they who are causing animosity in global relations with their antagonistic actions and now their refusal to openly allow investigators to the site where rebels shot a plane down.



Russia is not Ukraine, despite what the LNP and Abbott  have you believe, the plane went down in Ukraine not Russia, at the very least LNP and Abbott should be barking at Ukraine not Russia!
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Reply #18 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
The Russians behavior for months regarding their support for terrorists in Unraine has been appalling.
It is they who are causing animosity in global relations with their antagonistic actions and now their refusal to openly allow investigators to the site where rebels shot a plane down.



Russia is not Ukraine, despite what the LNP and Abbott  have you believe, the plane went down in Ukraine not Russia, at the very least LNP and Abbott should be barking at Ukraine not Russia!


The plane was shot down by Russian backed terrorists in an area controlled by Russian supported rebels.
Russia has destabilised Ukraine and annexed it's territory against all world opinion.

Russia's actions in the region are aggressive and appalling - and they deserve ostracising.
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Reply #19 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:21pm
 
I find it somewhat amusing to characterise the present Ukrainian Government is controlled by ultra-nationalists who believe Adolf Hitler was a nice bloke who was just a little misunderstood as being something we should want to be associated with.

Admittedly, the Russian ultra-nationalists in the Eastern Ukraine who think Vladimir Putin is a nice bloke who's just a little misunderstood aren't much better.   They think Stalin was a nice bloke as well.

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Reply #20 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
The Russians behavior for months regarding their support for terrorists in Unraine has been appalling.
It is they who are causing animosity in global relations with their antagonistic actions and now their refusal to openly allow investigators to the site where rebels shot a plane down.



Russia is not Ukraine, despite what the LNP and Abbott  have you believe, the plane went down in Ukraine not Russia, at the very least LNP and Abbott should be barking at Ukraine not Russia!


The plane was shot down by Russian backed terrorists in an area controlled by Russian supported rebels.
Russia has destabilised Ukraine and annexed it's territory against all world opinion.

Russia's actions in the region are aggressive and appalling - and they deserve ostracising.



Quoting the LNP and Abbott not a path for success!
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Reply #21 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
We are involved on one side in Iraq’s civil war. How is Putin doing any different?
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Reply #22 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:27pm
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
The Russians behavior for months regarding their support for terrorists in Unraine has been appalling.
It is they who are causing animosity in global relations with their antagonistic actions and now their refusal to openly allow investigators to the site where rebels shot a plane down.



Russia is not Ukraine, despite what the LNP and Abbott  have you believe, the plane went down in Ukraine not Russia, at the very least LNP and Abbott should be barking at Ukraine not Russia!


The plane was shot down by Russian backed terrorists in an area controlled by Russian supported rebels.
Russia has destabilised Ukraine and annexed it's territory against all world opinion.

Russia's actions in the region are aggressive and appalling - and they deserve ostracising.



Quoting the LNP and Abbott not a path for success!


I don't even know what the LNP said on the issue to be honest but it's clearly obvious Russian backed rebels shot it down from any number of sources / including US satellites.
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Reply #23 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:30pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
[quote author=Andrei.Hicks link=1416021258/15#15 date=1416042194]The Russians behavior for months regarding their support for terrorists in Unraine has been appalling.
It is they who are causing animosity in global relations with their antagonistic actions and now their refusal to openly allow investigators to the site where rebels shot a plane down.



Russia is not Ukraine, despite what the LNP and Abbott  have you believe, the plane went down in Ukraine not Russia, at the very least LNP and Abbott should be barking at Ukraine not Russia!


The plane was shot down by Russian backed terrorists in an area controlled by Russian supported rebels.
Russia has destabilised Ukraine and annexed it's territory against all world opinion.

Russia's actions in the region are aggressive and appalling - and they deserve ostracising.



Quoting the LNP and Abbott not a path for success!


I don't even know what the LNP said on the issue to be honest but it's clearly obvious Russian backed rebels shot it down from any number of sources / including US satellites.[/quote]

Bullshit!
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Reply #24 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 12:56am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 1:17pm:
Yeh because when I steal a cookie out of the cookie jar, I get all my mates to come over and mess everything about, for atleast a month, then I tell my mum she is good to investigate.

Poor dear and her friends think im a champ for not being upset any more and allowing her unfettered access.

Don't like to say my mum or friends are dumb or anything.....


This.
How contaminated now would the evidence be.
The Dutch aren't heroes; they're like scared little beggars asking "oh please Sir, can you share the evidence with us, we'll be nice and all. Thank you, Sir". Pathetic.
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Reply #25 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:34am
 


Go the Dutch huh?......................



2:00PM BST 16 Jul 2014





A court on Wednesday ordered the Netherlands to compensate the families of more than 300 men turned over to Bosnian Serb forces and later killed in the Srebrenica massacre 19 years ago, but cleared the nation of liability in the deaths of the most of the 8,000 Bosnian Muslims killed.


A district court in The Hague said Dutch peacekeepers in Srebrenica, a Bosnian Muslim enclave in Bosnian Serb-held territory, could have known that the 300 men who had sought refuge in their base in the village of Potocari would be murdered if deported from the Dutch compound.


The court said the Netherlands was not liable for the deaths of those who had fled into the forests surrounding Srebrenica, where many of the men and boys were later buried in mass graves.


In an emotionally-charged hearing at the civil court in The Hague, Presiding Judge Larissa Alwin said Dutch UN peacekeepers should have known that the men deported from the Dutch compound by Bosnian Serb forces on July 13, 1995, would be murdered because there was already evidence of the Serbs committing war crimes.


"By cooperating in the deportation of these men, Dutchbat acted unlawfully," said Judge Alwin, referring to the name of the Dutch UN battalion.


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The victims were among thousands of Muslims killed after Bosnian Serb forces commanded by Gen. Ratko Mladic overran the town of Srebrenica on July 11 in what was to become the bloody climax to the 1992-95 Bosnian war that claimed 100,000 lives.

Two days later, the outnumbered Dutch peacekeepers bowed to pressure from Mladic's troops and forced thousands of Muslim families out of their fenced-off compound. Bosnian Serb forces sorted the Muslims by gender, then trucked the males away and began executing them. Their bodies were ploughed into hastily made mass graves in what international courts have ruled was genocide.

But the ruling cleared Dutch troops of responsibility in the murder of thousands of Bosnian Muslim men who fled into the forests around Srebrenica and were later rounded up and murdered by Serb forces, saying "Dutchbat cannot be held liable for their fate."

Relatives of the dead welcomed the limited finding of liability, but lamented that it did not go much further.

"Obviously the court has no sense of justice," said Munira Subasic, president of the "Mothers of Srebrenica" group that filed the case.

"How is it possible to divide victims and tell one mother that the Dutch state is responsible for the death of her son on one side of the wire and not for the son on the other side?"

Mrs Subasic said her organisation would "keep fighting for truth and justice. And in the end we will win."

The court did not say how much compensation the families should receive.

Earlier in the long-running case, judges said relatives of the victims could not sue the United Nations in Dutch courts because its immunity from prosecution is a cornerstone of peacekeeping operations around the world.

A lawyer for the relatives, Marco Gerritsen, said he would carefully study the 89-page ruling before deciding whether to appeal.

The Dutch Defense Ministry did not immediately return a call seeking comment on the ruling.

Dutch peacekeepers' involvement in the Srebrenica massacre has long been a source of national trauma for the Netherlands. In 2002, then-prime minister Wim Kok and his government resigned following a report that blamed Dutch authorities and the UN for sending ill-equipped troops without a strong enough mandate to prevent the slaughter.

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Reply #26 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 7:42am
 
Red, how is any of  that even relevant to the topic?

Getting desperate in your old age aren't you Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #27 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
Dutch experts will be able to search for more pieces of a Malaysia Airlines jet downed over eastern Ukraine under an agreement reached between pro-Russian separatists and Dutch representatives.
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No Abbott in sight during negotiations, he out trying to impress the pubescent girls he just o much more manly than Rudd, Abbott the one they would much prefer to have sex with!



Dutch 193
Malaysian 43
Australian 27
Indonesian 12
UK 10
Belgium/Germany 4 ea
Philippines 3
NZ/Canada 1 ea.

total 298.

the plane was owned by  Malaysian Airlines the plane left Amsterdam. heading for Kuala Lumpur.

you show no concern about other PMs.. being present....why is that?

what sex has to do with this I will never know...maybe you should find another level of dealing with your fantasies....298 deaths do not seem to be a normal outlet for them. Cheesy
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Reply #28 - Nov 16th, 2014 at 9:54am
 
cods wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:04am:
DaS Energy wrote on Nov 15th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
Dutch experts will be able to search for more pieces of a Malaysia Airlines jet downed over eastern Ukraine under an agreement reached between pro-Russian separatists and Dutch representatives.
Sky News

No Abbott in sight during negotiations, he out trying to impress the pubescent girls he just o much more manly than Rudd, Abbott the one they would much prefer to have sex with!



Dutch 193
Malaysian 43
Australian 27
Indonesian 12
UK 10
Belgium/Germany 4 ea
Philippines 3
NZ/Canada 1 ea.

total 298.

the plane was owned by  Malaysian Airlines the plane left Amsterdam. heading for Kuala Lumpur.

you show no concern about other PMs.. being present....why is that?

what sex has to do with this I will never know...maybe you should find another level of dealing with your fantasies....298 deaths do not seem to be a normal outlet for them. Cheesy



There are PM more Australian than Abbott will ever be!  Notice how they shut Abbott out went they want to get something done.

Some actually care what happened to those folk, Abbott just wants to maggot off them, and feed himself as the hero who has already sorted it all out, no need for others to get involved!
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