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Erdogan claims America
Nov 16^th, 2014 at 10:54am

Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus.

http://www.goodmorningturkey.com/erdogan-says-america-discovered-muslims-columbu...

I suppose its just another lie for islam. Like the big 101 lies of islam. The Vikings would have to in the gate to win this race.

What Should be Taught: Muslim mathematicians, the inventors of algebra, introduced the concept of using letters for unknown variables in equations as early as the 9th century A.D. Through this system, they solved a variety of complex equations, including quadratic and cubic equations. They used symbols to develop and perfect the binomial theorem.

It was the Indians that discovered algebra Gandalf. The kufr Hindus.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: Erdogan claims America Reply #1 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 11:08am The "golden age" of Islam, when the Caliphate was the biggest empire around, actually produced surprisingly few scientific advancements.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96421	Re: Erdogan claims America Reply #2 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 11:33am Muslims discovered Australia. They didn’t hang around, they just bought some dried sea slugs and went back to Indonesia.
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Reply #3 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

You have again managed not to interoperate. The Clovis people walked across a land bridge! Other tribes lived there before Clovis. The Vikings who discovered America sailed there!

"At the time of Columbus' voyages, the Americas were inhabited by natives thought to be the descendants of Asians" who crossed the Bering Strait to North America in prehistoric times. Vikings were the first Europeans known to have reached the Americas, and established a short-lived settlement in Newfoundland circa 1000.

Now Brian who invented algebra?

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Reply #5 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

And yet even you put the discovered in to scare quotes, "discovered" - because they did not discover it, only "discovered" it.

Europeans discovered the New World and Australia because discovery here is about knowledge, geography, cartography. This is how you discover new species of plants or discover subatomic particles.

Europeans also had a world view that propelled them in search of riches, knowledge, fame.

Yes, Asians walked over to the Americas via the the Bering Strait when it wasn't a strait. But that's not a discovery, onlyt a "discovery" - anachronistic projection of an essentially modern idea - discovery - onto pre-modern peoples who had zero concept of it, with or without scare quotes.

Aborigines didn't discover Australia. They didn't even "discover" it. Same with the clovis and America.

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Reply #6 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:58pm

Adamant wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

You have again managed not to interoperate. The Clovis people walked across a land bridge! Other tribes lived there before Clovis. The Vikings who discovered America sailed there!

Ah, so its the manner of arrival which is so important to you, is it, Adamant? Roll Eyes

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"At the time of Columbus' voyages, the Americas were inhabited by natives thought to be the descendants of Asians" who crossed the Bering Strait to North America in prehistoric times. Vikings were the first Europeans known to have reached the Americas, and established a short-lived settlement in Newfoundland circa 1000.

Now Brian who invented algebra?

It's relevance, to the thread is, what exaclty, Adamant?

Your own quote makes the point, modern Europeans were quite late comers to the Americas, which reinforces my point.

Although, I note you duck the point, who were the rowers of the "trireme" that Columbus encountered in mid-Atlantic on his first voyage in 1492?

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Reply #7 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:58pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

You have again managed not to interoperate. The Clovis people walked across a land bridge! Other tribes lived there before Clovis. The Vikings who discovered America sailed there!

Soren?

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"At the time of Columbus' voyages, the Americas were inhabited by natives thought to be the descendants of Asians" who crossed the Bering Strait to North America in prehistoric times. Vikings were the first Europeans known to have reached the Americas, and established a short-lived settlement in Newfoundland circa 1000.

Now Brian who invented algebra?

Soren?

Who are you responding to Brian? Brain stem probs again? Tsk Tsk please try to keep up.

Now Brian who invented algebra?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Erdogan claims America Reply #8 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 5:46pm Brain, you have discovered and conquered and rejoice in the sole occupancy of the land of 'stupid, ridiculous little numpty'. It's ALL yours, BRAIN! Is that racist? Bigoted? Critical without letup? Hopefully all three and more besides.
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Reply #9 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 6:02pm

Adamant wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:58pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

You have again managed not to interoperate. The Clovis people walked across a land bridge! Other tribes lived there before Clovis. The Vikings who discovered America sailed there!

Soren?

Quote:

"At the time of Columbus' voyages, the Americas were inhabited by natives thought to be the descendants of Asians" who crossed the Bering Strait to North America in prehistoric times. Vikings were the first Europeans known to have reached the Americas, and established a short-lived settlement in Newfoundland circa 1000.

Now Brian who invented algebra?

Soren?

Who are you responding to Brian? Brain stem probs again? Tsk Tsk please try to keep up.

Apologies. Now corrected, Adamant.

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Now Brian who invented algebra?

It is irrelevant to the thread, Adamant. Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 6:03pm

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Brain, you have discovered and conquered and rejoice in the sole occupancy of the land of 'stupid, ridiculous little numpty'.

It's ALL yours, BRAIN!

Is that racist? Bigoted? Critical without letup? Hopefully all three and more besides.

You appear to be coming more unhinged as we go along, Soren.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Erdogan claims America Reply #11 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:40pm Adamant wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 10:54am: It was the Indians that discovered algebra Gandalf. The kufr Hindus Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 6:02pm: It is irrelevant to the thread, Adamant. Absolutely not, ignorant Brian. Totally relevant, if one is intelligent that is?
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Reply #12 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

IIRC Columbus, on his first voyage to the New World, when he was credited with "discovering" America (not that he actually made it further than the West Indies), wrote in his log that he passed a large "trireme" in mid-Atlantic which was going eastwards towards Africa.

Then we have the Vikings, the Irish and the English, all of whom found the Americas before Columbus but who's claims to have "discovered" it, get submerged in the Hollywood belief that only Columbus believed the world was round. What is even more interesting is that Columbus never set out to "discover" the Americas, he was actually looking for India!

In reality, the people who "discovered" the Americas were the Clovis peoples, well before Europeans or any other mob did. Funny how European hubris is such that they could not continence the idea that anybody but them could have "discovered" the Americas. Roll Eyes

Yeah.

They pissed themselves.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: Erdogan claims America Reply #14 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 1:12pm Apparently everyone was Muslim before Muhammed turned up. Therefor, Muslims discovered all 6 inhabited continents. Case closed.
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