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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #90 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31am

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Like I said, not even FD is disputing the order of who said what,

I dispute your claim that I brought it up "out of the blue".

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Suggest you look up the works of Scott Poynting and other social researchers regarding the indisputable link between islamophobia and race in the west.

Ah, so this is one of those ideas that takes a lot of research to believe and overcome the barriers of common sense? Do any of this 'social researchers' claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #91 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:43am

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31am:

Do any of this 'social researchers' claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race?

Of course, but feel free to read them yourself - since I know enlightening yourself with informed and objective research on issues related to muslims is a great passion of yours.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #92 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:58am Can you quote one of them?
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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #93 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:07am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:24am:

Datalife, I don't give a flying f _uck if you are incapable of looking at the one quote that has dominated this thread. No skin off my nose. Like I said, not even FD is disputing the order of who said what, so you're obviously missing the point.

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:57am:

Can you justify your claim without referring to my comment?

Sure, the quote Herb posted on the first page.

Suggest you look up the works of Scott Poynting and other social researchers regarding the indisputable link between islamophobia and race in the west.

I asked, and I thought politely, for the quote including the reference so I can see for myself who first introduced race and its antecedents.

I can see that small request is beyond your scope, no matter. No need to get angry. I didn't think it was that onerous a request.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #94 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:29am I politely pointed you in the right direction. Sorry if this was a little too much for you.
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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #95 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:47am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:29am:

I politely pointed you in the right direction. Sorry if this was a little too much for you.

Why are you avoiding posting the reference? I can read the quote, I want to see its genesisand the antecedents so I can decide for myself who first introduced race. I thought I had explained that clearly several times now.

If you cannot find the original source of where freediver first, according to you, introduced race, or for your own reasons prefer not to, well and good, but don't keep pretending you have provided me with the information I requested and playing up that it is somehow my failing.

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #96 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm

Gandalf mentioned in one of the freedom of speech threads that he was intolerant of the "privileged strata" in our society promoting an open market place of ideas. I took this to mean white people and said so, which prompted Gandalf to segue into his previously unrevealed belief that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about racism. Anyway, I was apparently mistaken, as Gandalf did not mean "white people", but rather "people who just happen to be white".

I think all three quotes are in the OP. Naturally, Gandalf is reluctant to go into the details, as they undermine his complaint that I brought up race "out of the blue" and somehow tricked him into ranting across several threads about white privilege.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #97 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 1:34pm

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:31am:

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Like I said, not even FD is disputing the order of who said what,

I dispute your claim that I brought it up "out of the blue".

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Suggest you look up the works of Scott Poynting and other social researchers regarding the indisputable link between islamophobia and race in the west.

Ah, so this is one of those ideas that takes a lot of research to believe and overcome the barriers of common sense? Do any of this 'social researchers' claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race?

FD, you yourself claimed it was all about race when you let it slip that Muslims want to take away the Freeeedom of decent white people.

And you have no argument from the old boys, Herbies, Sprintcyclists and all the rest. They’re very specific that this is all about race, and you’re the only one struggling to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

We’re all friends here, you know. No one’s going to think any less of you for owning up to what you truly feel.

You’ve already said what you think. Why try to cover it up in ever-expanding excuses and justifications?

If you don’t like dirty, tinted Muslims, just admit it. Isn’t this the Freeedom you’re defending for white people?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #98 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 6:16pm

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Gandalf mentioned in one of the freedom of speech threads that he was intolerant of the "privileged strata" in our society promoting an open market place of ideas. I took this to mean white people

This is FD convincing everyone he's definitey not preoccupied thinking about race when talking about muslims.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #99 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:45pm

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Gandalf mentioned in one of the freedom of speech threads that he was intolerant of the "privileged strata" in our society promoting an open market place of ideas. I took this to mean white people and said so, which prompted Gandalf to segue into his previously unrevealed belief that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about racism. Anyway, I was apparently mistaken, as Gandalf did not mean "white people", but rather "people who just happen to be white".

I think all three quotes are in the OP. Naturally, Gandalf is reluctant to go into the details, as they undermine his complaint that I brought up race "out of the blue" and somehow tricked him into ranting across several threads about white privilege.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #100 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31pm Marvellous stuff, old boy, very droll. Your Punch quip reads like an FD post.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #101 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:42pm Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31pm: xxxxxxx stuff, old boy, very xxxxxxx. Your xxxxxx xxx reads like xxxxx post. What? You have been Islamically censored, PB.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #102 - Nov 24^th, 2014 at 9:19am Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:42pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:31pm: xxxxxxx stuff, old boy, very xxxxxxx. Your xxxxxx xxx reads like xxxxx post. What? You have been Islamically censored, PB. Forget Islamically censored. The ones you've got to worry about are the ones who censor themselves.
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