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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #15 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:19pm You ask lots of silly questions Gandalf. I confess to ignoring most of them. That is most likely why I didn't answer it. You are welcome to try again.
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Reply #16 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

What question do you want me to answer Gandalf?

The one I asked FD - amazingly enough.

Oh for goodness' sake, why not just repeat the bloody question instead of this circuitous bulldust. Round and round the mulberry bush...

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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Reply #17 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

What do you think FD - Herb's anti-islam has an element of racism?

That was a quote from someone in Norway.

But in terms of the bulk movement of blacks into traditionally white societies ~ I'm racist as hell. And you can quote me.

The 'melting pot' is a myth.

Colour polarises people to their 'own community' ... and that will never change.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #18 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:42pm freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:19pm: You ask lots of silly questions Gandalf. I confess to ignoring most of them. That is most likely why I didn't answer it. You are welcome to try again. That’s a statement, FD. You need to put this in the form of a question.
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Reply #19 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

What do you think FD - Herb's anti-islam has an element of racism?

That was a quote from someone in Norway.

But in terms of the bulk movement of blacks into traditionally white societies ~ I'm racist as hell. And you can quote me.

The 'melting pot' is a myth.

Colour polarises people to their 'own community' ... and that will never change.

FD, is this what you meant by Muslims and their attempted censorship of white people?

That’s a question.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #20 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 9:25pm I agree. It is a question.
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Reply #21 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 9:46pm

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

You ask lots of silly questions Gandalf. I confess to ignoring most of them. That is most likely why I didn't answer it. You are welcome to try again.

Sorry FD, it was presumptuous of me to think you would understand it to be the question that kicked this whole discussion off....

anyway, as you wish - why did you bring up white people in the context of muslims being against free speech when no one else mentioned them?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #22 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 9:52pm

I assumed that's what you were on about with this:

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I know what you will counter with - that the antidote against the threats from both is to embrace freedom even more wholeheartedly; that a sort of "free market" political and intellectual environment will sort us all out for the better. I cannot agree with such an idealism, and I am particularly intolerant of it when it is being lectured by someone who is from the dominant, privileged strata of our society. Someone who will never experience real discrimination or prejudice, demanding that the most vulnerable stand up and embrace the idea that they should be mocked and ridiculed for their cultural and ethnic background.

If you meant some other group, feel free to correct me.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #23 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:02pm Good point, FD. Are you arguing, qua Herbie and the old boy, that the once proud white race is now the victim of savage tinted hoards and cannibals? This is another question.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #24 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:07pm Not quite. Thats me saying I can't tolerate you and your privileged ilk lecturing minorities that they must embrace being mocked, not muslims telling white people they can't have freedom of speech. See if you can understand the difference.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #25 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:19pm The difference is those awful darkies and their spineless apologists are trying to take away our Freeeeedom to mock and criticize them. And I, for onr, would fight to the death for FD’s right to do so. Typical.
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Reply #26 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:19pm

How can you tell that me and my ilk are privileged?

They must embrace freedom of speech. They must tolerate their religion and ideologies being mocked. They must abandon any attempt at imposing sacred cows on the rest of us. This is a bare minimum requirement for living in a civilised society. Tell the rest of your ilk.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #27 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:22pm freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:19pm: Tell the rest of your ilk. Darkies?
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Reply #28 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

Not quite. Thats me saying I can't tolerate you and your privileged ilk lecturing minorities that they must embrace being mocked, not muslims telling white people they can't have freedom of speech.

So FD's "privileged ilk" can have freedom of speech, so long as they don't mock minorities?

Incidentally, isn't FD's "privileged ilk" a minority too? Does this mean that they cannot mock themselves?

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Reply #29 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:29am

MumboJumbo wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

So FD's "privileged ilk" can have freedom of speech, so long as they don't mock minorities?

As I suspected, the difference is a little too subtle for some.

FD previously made the case that muslims must demonstrate their love of freedom by jumping up and down demanding they be mocked and ridiculed. Thats absurd. Muslims have and do repeatedly tell their people to react to ridicule against them peacefully. That of course is not enough for FD, who is an extremist in our society,. But mainstream Australians will commend the muslims for this, because they (unlike FD) are sympathetic to the real threat to the human rights of vulnerable minorities. Mainstream Australians will always understand that freedom of speech requires a delicate balancing act between the rights of speech and the right to be free of vilification. Its a balance that FD will never acknowledge - he thinks the limits on speech should be restricted to shouting fire in a theatre and a direct threat to someone's life. And thats why he'll always be an extremist in our society.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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