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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #60 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:40am

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

ou can hardly be unrepresentative of the Muslim community, G. You’re a Muslim. You follow the example of your sinister prophet. This makes Muslims paedophiles, mass murderers, and torturers of Jews for their gold.

And okay, you mightn’t have actually done this yet, but you want to. After all, you’re a Muslim, a follower of Islam. Any dalliance with ideas of Freeedom or demokracy is just a cunning ruse, carefully calculated to get decent white people to lower their guard.

Well that is true.

Poor FD can't figure out if I'm just a confused ignorant muslim who can't properly reconcile the evil of his sinister prophet with his his naive progressive ideas, or a genuine true-blue taqqiya practicing muslim who constantly sets out to confuse people and muddy the waters in order to conceal the true nature of islam. He constantly flips from one to the other.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #61 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

FD, do you stand by your support of Herbie’s claim that, after we get rid of the Muslims, the blacks will be next?

I hope you can answer this, given you started a thread about it.

Nonsense K - people who mock islam are not thinking about race at all - even when they are the first ones to bring it up.

Are you suggesting it is my fault you made this absurd claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race? Is it my fault you started going on about white privilege?

How's that for sticking to the topic Gandalf?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #62 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

ou can hardly be unrepresentative of the Muslim community, G. You’re a Muslim. You follow the example of your sinister prophet. This makes Muslims paedophiles, mass murderers, and torturers of Jews for their gold.

And okay, you mightn’t have actually done this yet, but you want to. After all, you’re a Muslim, a follower of Islam. Any dalliance with ideas of Freeedom or demokracy is just a cunning ruse, carefully calculated to get decent white people to lower their guard.

Well that is true.

Poor FD can't figure out if I'm just a confused ignorant muslim who can't properly reconcile the evil of his sinister prophet with his his naive progressive ideas, or a genuine true-blue taqqiya practicing muslim who constantly sets out to confuse people and muddy the waters in order to conceal the true nature of islam. He constantly flips from one to the other.

Stupid or mendacious? Mendacious or stupid?

Questions, questions.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #63 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:12pm

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Are you suggesting it is my fault you made this absurd claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race?

Good heavens, FD, how could it possibly be about race? It's about decent white people and their Freeeedom. Allow me to quote an eminent member of the board:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Meanwhile, the good Muslims are on here explaining why they cannot tolerate white people having freedom of speech, in case they mock Muhammed.

If you ask me, he should have asked this one as a question.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #64 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Are you suggesting it is my fault you made this absurd claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race?

It is your fault for turning this into an issue about race - yes. It was your fault that I called you out on your racist comment when no one else had mentioned race - yes. You seem to have difficulty with this basic point that you were the first to bring it up - not me:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Meanwhile, the good Muslims are on here explaining why they cannot tolerate white people having freedom of speech, in case they mock Muhammed.

To complete the sentence in your thread title:

Islamophobia all about racism... because the islamophobes keep bringing up race

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #65 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Islamophobia all about racism... because the islamophobes keep bringing up race

Yes, but why can't decent white people bring up race in order to offend the Muselman?

Surely this is FD's right in a civilised society. I, for one, would fight to the death for FD's right to mock and criticize the tinted races.

Those Taqiyya-practicing Moslems just don't understand Freeedom.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #66 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 6:47pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

ou can hardly be unrepresentative of the Muslim community, G. You’re a Muslim. You follow the example of your sinister prophet. This makes Muslims paedophiles, mass murderers, and torturers of Jews for their gold.

And okay, you mightn’t have actually done this yet, but you want to. After all, you’re a Muslim, a follower of Islam. Any dalliance with ideas of Freeedom or demokracy is just a cunning ruse, carefully calculated to get decent white people to lower their guard.

Well that is true.

Poor FD can't figure out if I'm just a confused ignorant muslim who can't properly reconcile the evil of his sinister prophet with his his naive progressive ideas, or a genuine true-blue taqqiya practicing muslim who constantly sets out to confuse people and muddy the waters in order to conceal the true nature of islam. He constantly flips from one to the other.

Stupid or mendacious? Mendacious or stupid?

Questions, questions.

I think it's both.

If Muslims were really that hot for open and free inquiry, wherever it may lead, they would have constituted many, many such societies. But they haven't. Every single society they have constituted is repressive of ideas, open inquiry and open criticism to various degrees, from severe to medium. The more Islamic a society, the more severe the suppression of free and open enquiry, dialogues, criticism etc.

The only open and free societies today are the ones that are either 1/grown out of European Protestant Christianity (or Judaism, ie Israel) or 2/ had such models imposed on them (Japan) or have adopted such models to a very large degree (Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore).

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #67 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Islamophobia all about racism... because the islamophobes keep bringing up race

Yes, but why can't decent white people bring up race in order to offend the Muselman?

Surely this is FD's right in a civilised society. I, for one, would fight to the death for FD's right to mock and criticize the tinted races.

Those Taqiyya-practicing Moslems just don't understand Freeedom.

I zink you vill find zat many of zee people zat look white are an entirely different people. Zis will become clear to us over zee coming decades.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #68 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 7:09pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

You can hardly be unrepresentative of the Muslim community, G. You’re a Muslim. You follow the example of your sinister prophet. This makes Muslims paedophiles, mass murderers, and torturers of Jews for their gold.

And okay, you mightn’t have actually done this yet, but you want to. After all, you’re a Muslim, a follower of Islam. Any dalliance with ideas of Freeedom or demokracy is just a cunning ruse, carefully calculated to get decent white people to lower their guard.

Google: Taqiyya.

No, G, you’re completely representative, and if you’re not, FD will make you representative. As a Muslim, you’re the new Abu.

And as an apologist, I’m the new 2007 FD.

There are no small roles, G, only small actors.

All the world’s a stage, no?

I find many off your sentiments extremely concerning.

az I haff alllready stated, muslims have many fine qualities which may be employed to our advantage.

Vee can not afford to become embroiled in zees petty disputes between foriegners over illgotten gold

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #69 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:13pm

DifferentFrequency wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Islamophobia all about racism... because the islamophobes keep bringing up race

Yes, but why can't decent white people bring up race in order to offend the Muselman?

Surely this is FD's right in a civilised society. I, for one, would fight to the death for FD's right to mock and criticize the tinted races.

Those Taqiyya-practicing Moslems just don't understand Freeedom.

I zink you vill find zat many of zee people zat look white are an entirely different people. Zis will become clear to us over zee coming decades.

I agree, Different. Look at me, a grinning tinted PB.

I mean, I’ve never been to.Pakistan in my life, but if you met me, you’d swear I was the nephew and personal.assistant to Ahmad Ghulam Bilour, Pakistani Railways Minister.

Nice work if you can get it, no?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #70 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:34pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

DifferentFrequency wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Islamophobia all about racism... because the islamophobes keep bringing up race

Yes, but why can't decent white people bring up race in order to offend the Muselman?

Surely this is FD's right in a civilised society. I, for one, would fight to the death for FD's right to mock and criticize the tinted races.

Those Taqiyya-practicing Moslems just don't understand Freeedom.

I zink you vill find zat many of zee people zat look white are an entirely different people. Zis will become clear to us over zee coming decades.

I agree, Different. Look at me, a grinning tinted PB.

I mean, I’ve never been to.Pakistan in my life, but if you met me, you’d swear I was the nephew and personal.assistant to Ahmad Ghulam Bilour, Pakistani Railways Minister.

Nice work if you can get it, no?

Perhaps it's mien tenuous grasp of English but I vind I am having difficulty following yoor mode of speech.

howeffa, I vind it highly unlikely zat jou are ethnically Pakistani, gifen your obserfable passions.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #72 - Nov 20^th, 2014 at 10:42pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

We prefer to leave the passions to the cheese-fanciers, thank you very much.

And the pasta-lovers.

DifferentFrequency wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

howeffa, I vind it highly unlikely zat jou are ethnically Pakistani, gifen your obserfable passions.

They're not directed to goats?

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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #73 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 8:23am

Case closed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 2:21pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

There is one thread about your claim that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race.

Yes, that would be when you brought up race when no one else had, and me pointing out that islamophobia always has and always will be about race - because islamophobes continually keep bringing it up - like you did.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #74 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 8:41am

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It is your fault for turning this into an issue about race - yes.

Because I started a thread about race?

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It was your fault that I called you out on your racist comment when no one else had mentioned race - yes.

You have admitted that your complaints about the "privileged strata" promoting freedom of speech was indeed a reference to people who "just happen to be" white. And straight and male of course - because we all know gay people and women have no reason to complain about Islam.

You did not "call me out on my racist comment". You claimed that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race. Can you tell the difference? Are you trying to blame me for your idiotic claim? Did I somehow trick you into making it by mentioning race once, leading you to believe I go on about it all the time?

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Islamophobia all about racism... because the islamophobes keep bringing up race

How often do I bring it up? Let me count the times - once, in response to you making a thinly veiled reference to race.

Do you actually believe that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race? Did you only realise this after I used the term 'white'? What other backwards beliefs do you harbour, that you are waiting for an opportune time to reveal and blame on someone else?

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