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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #75 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 11:09am

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 8:41am:

You have admitted that your complaints about the "privileged strata" promoting freedom of speech was indeed a reference to people who "just happen to be" white.

The fact that most of your ilk just happen to be white doesn't make it an issue about race. Its an issue about saying extremist and stupid things, and that could come from anyone - white, black, yellow or orange skinned.

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 8:41am:

You did not "call me out on my racist comment". You claimed that Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race.

Apparently it is about race - because you brought it up when no one else was even thinking about it. Do you stand by your statement that this is about the big bad muslims out to stop "white people" from having their freedoms?

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 8:41am:

Are you trying to blame me for your idiotic claim?

No, I blame you for your own idiotic claim:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Meanwhile, the good Muslims are on here explaining why they cannot tolerate white people having freedom of speech, in case they mock Muhammed.

You did this all by your little self FD.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #76 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 4:56pm

Actually, I blame Islam. Just think, without all the good Muslims on here trying to silence and intimidate decent white people, FD would have so much free time to invest in bettering his ilk.

But no. Instead, FD must spent most of his time questioning and exposing Muslims and their apologists. It’s a tragic waste of manpower, and if it wasn’t for Islam, FD could be fighting for the Freeeedom of decent white people everywhere.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #77 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 7:48pm Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:39pm: Passions? Good heavens, we’re British. Well, not you, obviously, Paki "ten rupee gimme' Bvgger.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96220 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #78 - Nov 21^st, 2014 at 9:09pm Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 7:48pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2014 at 8:39pm: Passions? Good heavens, we’re British. Well, not you, obviously, Paki "ten rupee gimme' Bvgger. Now now, old boy. I’ll happily deposit ten rupees in your slot, but only if you stay still, keep quiet and stop biting.
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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #79 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 7:13am

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Apparently it is about race - because you brought it up when no one else was even thinking about it.

Are you trying to backpedal now Gandalf? Do you actually believe this?

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Islamophobia always has and always will be about "race"
White muslims don't get picked on - unless they have highly visible "racial" markers (hijab, muslim robe etc).

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No, I blame you for your own idiotic claim:

OK, allow me to rephrase.

Meanwhile, the good Muslims are on here explaining why they cannot tolerate people who just happen to be white having freedom of speech, in case they mock Muhammed.

Happy now? Does this mean Islamophobia is no longer about race, always, absolutely, never ever?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #80 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 7:52am

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 7:13am:

Are you trying to backpedal now Gandalf? Do you actually believe this?

I said that in response to your white people statement.

Islamophobia is about race because islamophobes keep brining it up FIRST - like this:

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Meanwhile, the good Muslims are on here explaining why they cannot tolerate white people having freedom of speech, in case they mock Muhammed.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #81 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 8:16am

This is what you said Gandalf:

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Islamophobia always has and always will be about "race"
White muslims don't get picked on - unless they have highly visible "racial" markers (hijab, muslim robe etc).

Perhaps you are having difficulty with the language barrier. Can you explain how the truth of this statement depends on one single comment from me?

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #82 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 8:23am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 8:18am:

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

You already admitted that you made a thinly veiled reference to a privileged strata in our society

It wasn't thinly veiled at all - it was very explicit. And it had nothing to do with race. Having a population that is 70%+ white makes a lot of socio-economic groups consist predominantly of people "who just happen to be white" - including many underprivileged groups, but being "white" isn't the determining factor. So the issue has nothing to do with race or muslims who "cannot tolerate white people having freedom of speech" - you made that up all by your little self, and so you just prove that islamophobia is always about race.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #83 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:02am freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 8:16am: Can you explain how the truth of this statement depends on one single comment from me? You bringing up race when no one else had seemed an appropriate segue for me to point out that islamophobia is always about race.
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Reply #84 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:17am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:02am:

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 8:16am:

Can you explain how the truth of this statement depends on one single comment from me?

You bringing up race when no one else had seemed an appropriate segue for me to point out that islamophobia is always about race.

Well, I like many others I expect, have become lost in the argy bargy, how about you both post where you reckon the other one introduced race, and not just the quote as you have been doing but the link so it can be viewed and its antecedents.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #85 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:19am

well D I believe I've quoted it about 10 times in the last 24 hours. Feel free to find it - probably on this very page.

Also. FD is not disputing who said it first. He just seems to have great difficulty understanding why making an idiotic racist comment about muslims out of the blue - like he did - would prompt someone to point out that islamophobia is about race.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #86 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:39am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:19am:

well D I believe I've quoted it about 10 times in the last 24 hours. Feel free to find it - probably on this very page.

Also. FD is not disputing who said it first. He just seems to have great difficulty understanding why making an idiotic racist comment about muslims out of the blue - like he did - would prompt someone to point out that islamophobia is about race.

Should be easy enough for you to find then, with the link eh? No skin off my nose if you decide it is all too hard, but gotta tell you, it ain't a good look for you. As for not disputing who said it first, what a joke, you have both been pointing fingers.

I just wanted to see the genesis of this crapfest and decide for myself who first introduced race.

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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #87 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:57am

DL, check the opening post.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:02am:

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 8:16am:

Can you explain how the truth of this statement depends on one single comment from me?

You bringing up race when no one else had seemed an appropriate segue for me to point out that islamophobia is always about race.

Can you justify your claim without referring to my comment?

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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Islamophobia all about racism Reply #88 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:14am Still no links or quote. I take it neither one of you can post the quote with the link where you say the other one first introduced race then?
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Re: Islamophobia all about racism
Reply #89 - Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 10:24am

Datalife, I don't give a flying f _uck if you are incapable of looking at the one quote that has dominated this thread. No skin off my nose. Like I said, not even FD is disputing the order of who said what, so you're obviously missing the point.

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 9:57am:

Can you justify your claim without referring to my comment?

Sure, the quote Herb posted on the first page.

Suggest you look up the works of Scott Poynting and other social researchers regarding the indisputable link between islamophobia and race in the west.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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