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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	A question about equality and gender. Nov 18^th, 2014 at 2:08am When will we reassess the need for positive discrimination? If women do not hold 50%+ positions of company directors and seats in parliaments at what point should women start looking at themselves and not at society for the problem. (if it is a problem)
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Re: A question about equality and gender.
Reply #1 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 2:37am

Pretty sad seeing women forced to take up careers, studies, ambitions and the lust for power - just to sit beside her 'Whitey' male upon the Throne and keep the Economy in check!

Deep down, they just want to have babies with the influx of fresh genetic material from 'The Boats'. Tony 'One Term' Abbott is afraid his precious daughters may be 'polluted' by such FOBs and is putting a 'Carbon Tax' upon their chastity belts.

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Reply #2 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

I would estimate ... somewhere around 1982-3......

It's not that women are a 'problem' in those arenas - it's just that these arenas are NOT open to affirmative action or quotas here - since we ostensibly live in a democracy where the people decide.

Labor has had a quota in place for ages now - 40/40/20 - and still women can't make their 40% even when foisted on electorate after electorate by stealth, policy and parachuting in.... yet they demand 50% of front bench positions regardless....

Liberal has had its absolute bricks as well so not arguments there about party...

Any candidate should be pre-selected by the branch in the electorate and represent that electorate -- not be some flunkey for some distant and thus far unaccepted and unvoted on Party policy. If a party is so certain that the electorates want women or whatever - let them put it to the vote and see.

Let the people decide - we are, after all - not sheep to be lead around by the nose...and told what to do and who we will accept.

Same applies to business - nowhere is there any right of a democratic government to dictate to a business who it will employ and who it will not.

About now you should be starting to see what is meant by 'socio-fascism'...... Communist Russia was 'socio-fascist'... think it through.... it's simple - a minority masquerade as the champions of the people and will trample those people so as to ensure that their championship by their lights goes through - over any and everyone... you with me yet?

Such things as affirmative action and quotas cannot be law - they are policy pure and simple and have been since 1982...... the problem is that there is no real way for any ordinary person afflicted by these policies to have them set to rights....

Hence the Grappler initiative on determining that all law, legislation and policy needs to be held to the proper standard of Law - or it fails the first hurdle, that of not being active discrimination.

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Re: A question about equality and gender.
Reply #3 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 6:27pm

miketrees wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 2:08am:

When will we reassess the need for positive discrimination?

If women do not hold 50%+ positions of company directors and seats in parliaments at what point should women start looking at themselves and not at society for the problem.
(if it is a problem)

Because women aren't a group, they're a gender.

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Reply #4 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 6:31pm

ColdFact wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 2:08am:

When will we reassess the need for positive discrimination?

If women do not hold 50%+ positions of company directors and seats in parliaments at what point should women start looking at themselves and not at society for the problem.
(if it is a problem)

Because women aren't a group, they're a gender.

Precisely...... there is as much variety amongst women as there is amongst men (thank god)....

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29811 Gender:	Re: A question about equality and gender. Reply #5 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:26pm Affirmative Action is a divisive crock the best person regardless of gender or race gets the job
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38813 Gender:	Re: A question about equality and gender. Reply #6 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:28pm Gnads wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:26pm: Affirmative Action is a divisive crock the best person regardless of gender or race gets the job Is there some sort of gender bias to women in the ALP which is not mirrored in the LNP?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74884 Gender:	Re: A question about equality and gender. Reply #7 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:29pm I'm all for equality and gender ... I want equal access to her 'gender'
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38813 Gender:	Re: A question about equality and gender. Reply #8 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:31pm Indonesian Ministry: Abbott's Ministry:
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Re: A question about equality and gender.
Reply #9 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

ColdFact wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 2:08am:

When will we reassess the need for positive discrimination?

If women do not hold 50%+ positions of company directors and seats in parliaments at what point should women start looking at themselves and not at society for the problem.
(if it is a problem)

Because women aren't a group, they're a gender.

Precisely...... there is as much variety amongst women as there is amongst men (thank god)....

Actually there is less, which is part of the reason why there aren't as many of them in high places.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38813 Gender:	Re: A question about equality and gender. Reply #10 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:55pm Quote: Actually there is less, which is part of the reason why there aren't as many of them in high places. The 'less' you refer to is variety among women, an allegation there is more variety among men. Care to back that up, or is it just drivel?
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Re: A question about equality and gender.
Reply #11 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:59pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

Affirmative Action is a divisive crock

the best person regardless of gender or race gets the job

Is there some sort of gender bias to women in the ALP which is not mirrored in the LNP?

40% men - 40% women - 20% open - that's the ALP quota...

Currently women hold 36% of seats held by Labor - immediately after the election a group of women demanded 50% of front bench seats - Tanya Pleb told them to sit down and shut up... they already held 40% of front bench seats.....

Now you may deduce from that what you wish - but the fact remains that Labor has a quota system - and it still does not work, as they wish - leading to the demand that women be slotted into all the safe seats first...

How utterly nonsensical.

Let the people decide..... we're not the pawns for political chicanery and self-interest....

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: A question about equality and gender. Reply #12 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 8:00pm Hey Aussie, re your ministry photos: The best part is that the only competent minister in Abbott's ministry is, in fact, the woman.
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Re: A question about equality and gender.
Reply #13 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 8:05pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

Affirmative Action is a divisive crock

the best person regardless of gender or race gets the job

Is there some sort of gender bias to women in the ALP which is not mirrored in the LNP?

40% men - 40% women - 20% open - that's the ALP quota...

Currently women hold 36% of seats held by Labor - immediately after the election a group of women demanded 50% of front bench seats - Tanya Pleb told them to sit down and shut up... they already held 40% of front bench seats.....

Now you may deduce from that what you wish - but the fact remains that Labor has a quota system - and it still does not work, as they wish - leading to the demand that women be slotted into all the safe seats first...

How utterly nonsensical.

Let the people decide..... we're not the pawns for political chicanery and self-interest....

I'm not doubting you about that Mr Grappler, but I'd appreciate a link so I can see the details?

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Re: A question about equality and gender.
Reply #14 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

miketrees wrote on Nov 18^th, 2014 at 2:08am:

When will we reassess the need for positive discrimination?

If women do not hold 50%+ positions of company directors and seats in parliaments at what point should women start looking at themselves and not at society for the problem.
(if it is a problem)

women are the first ones to bring down other women....it isnt society although I do think its time they did something about equal pay..

but when it comes to support and help if I was a women heading for the top I wouldnt look to other women for that thats for sure..

bitching and jealousy and knives in the back.. no thanks.

I give credit where its due.. Julie Bishop is doing a cracking job..she got where she is through hard work and being tough...good on her...

lab has 40% females.. how many can we name???????????..... as being of huge service to their country?...

look at the other females Milne/ Hansen Young.Lambie...bitchy spiteful and screwed up faces that say "I am your enemy".....

yeah right working for all Australians... Grin

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