Bleeding obvious being things like you are repeatedly making assertion with zero evidence to support them?

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:


It also doesn't mean that all costs are passed on to the consumer by default.

Stratos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:


Oh thats easy fixed Stratos - you just need to call it "bleeding obvious" or "common sense", and you can make anything automatically true. And then just throw around the useful term "muslim logic" whenever confronted with requests to provide actual evidence.

ian wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 10:20pm:


Apparently they are.  I read an article that a bunch of Christians were pissed at it.

To be honest, the real trick would be making something like a spiced bun NOT halal.  Maybe it could be made with sows milk or something.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 9:55pm:


Yes they are. That is how businesses work. They pass on all costs - every single one - then charge even more on top of that to make a profit.

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In this example you are the one demanding proof that the earth is round. This is not some controversial, undecided issue. This is the bleeding obvious, and you are demanding people hold your hand and walk you through it.

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am:


Just out of curiousity, FD, what happens when the costs are an investment that generate profits?

Like, say, a food company spending money on certification costs to obtain a contract with an airline?

What happens then?

Actually, the newpaper FD reads at work has run at a loss since the 1990s. The Australian costs News Ltd almost a hundred million dollars a year.

Socialism, innit.

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:47am:


I have demonstrated it. You demanded I demonstrate it some other idiotic way.

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All business costs can be seen as an investment that generate profits. If they did not generate profits, the businesses would not incur them.

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This merely means that the increase in cost to the customers is not immediate and/or transparent. Businesses "absorb" costs this way constantly - so much so that the sum total of all these "absorbed costs" would more than wipe out their profits, if they were not actually passed on to customers. It is actually the norm rather than the exception for costs to be absorbed in this manner in the short term. No business can predict with decent accuracy what it's total operating costs will be, or what the market forces are going to be. Rather, they react to historical operating costs and market conditions, often with significant lags, and do their best to accommodate what they think future trends will most likely be. Most businesses only alter their prices very irregularly - eg once a year. This does not mean that they genuinely absorb all the variations in costs throughout the year. It means that they do a rough job of keeping up with them.

It is simply stupid and naive to conclude from all this that Halal certification fees are not passed onto consumers, and is the sort of misleading bullshit you would expect from Muslims trying to justify the immoral behaviour of fellow Muslims.