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Reply #135 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 8:48pm

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

It is simply stupid and naive....

You do yourself no favours backing yourself into a corner like this. Whats "stupid and naive" is your simplistic and rigid "never ever" views on such an issue that is in reality far more complicated - and hysterically lash out at anything that questions this as "typical muslim logic".

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Rather, they react to historical operating costs and market conditions

Absolutely they react to "market conditions", yet curiously, after mentioning this once here you then go on and attribute any and all cost absorption to nothing more than "doing a rough job at keeping up with them" - and that they will inevitably catch up on them later. An example of reacting to market conditions would be if they decide that some increase in production costs need to be absorbed and their profit margin decreased in order to sustain their share of the market. There are a whole host of reasons why businesses might opt to absorb increases in production costs. In the case of baida there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for them doing it - namely that the small (not the "extortionist" Indonesian fees you incorrectly attributed originally) certification fee is paid back in spades by their access into the muslim market. This is the very claim made by the industry itself - and it is a reasonable claim, and no reason not to believe it.

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Reply #136 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:02pm

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

This is not some controversial, undecided issue. This is the bleeding obvious, and you are demanding people hold your hand and walk you through it.

So demonstrate it

If it is as obviously clear cut as you are making out, then surely you could have found a lonely example of it.

I have demonstrated it. You demanded I demonstrate it some other idiotic way.

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Just out of curiousity, FD, what happens when the costs are an investment that generate profits?

All business costs can be seen as an investment that generate profits. If they did not generate profits, the businesses would not incur them.

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Businesses make decisions to absorb costs all the time, its so common that we even have a term for it: absorbing costs:

This merely means that the increase in cost to the customers is not immediate and/or transparent. Businesses "absorb" costs this way constantly .

Ah.

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Reply #137 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:38pm

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You do yourself no favours backing yourself into a corner like this. Whats "stupid and naive" is your simplistic and rigid "never ever" views on such an issue that is in reality far more complicated - and hysterically lash out at anything that questions this as "typical muslim logic".

You are wrong. Your argument is stupid, and you only make it because it is on behalf of fellow Muslims screwing people over.

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Absolutely they react to "market conditions", yet curiously, after mentioning this once here you then go on and attribute any and all cost absorption to nothing more than "doing a rough job at keeping up with them" - and that they will inevitably catch up on them later.

Or prior. Businesses are obviously going to factor in some level of unexpected future costs into prices.

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An example of reacting to market conditions would be if they decide that some increase in production costs need to be absorbed and their profit margin decreased in order to sustain their share of the market.

You are conflating two separate decisions Gandalf. Profit margins will only be decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated. Those total profits will inevitably take into account all costs incurred. Costs also will only be incurred if there is a net benefit. These are two separate decisions based on separate criteria. This BS about allocating one particular cost to the decreased margin is either a childishly naive view on how businesses are run, or deliberate BS spin.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #138 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:59pm freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 7:49pm: I have demonstrated it. "But we stay still and the sun moves Galileo! It's just common sense!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #139 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:05pm Statos that is hardly convincing coming from the person who rejects thinking for himself as a matter of principle.
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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #140 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:20pm

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Statos that is hardly convincing coming from the person who rejects thinking for himself as a matter of principle.

Freediver, all I am asking is for a single example that correlates with what you have said, and you have not provided it.

If you want to believe things on blind faith like some kind of religious zealot that's fine, but like any Jehovas Witness who knocks on my door, don't expect me to believe a word you say unless you can provide me with evidence.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #141 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:31pm

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

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You do yourself no favours backing yourself into a corner like this. Whats "stupid and naive" is your simplistic and rigid "never ever" views on such an issue that is in reality far more complicated - and hysterically lash out at anything that questions this as "typical muslim logic".

You are wrong. Your argument is stupid, and you only make it because it is on behalf of fellow Muslims screwing people over.

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Absolutely they react to "market conditions", yet curiously, after mentioning this once here you then go on and attribute any and all cost absorption to nothing more than "doing a rough job at keeping up with them" - and that they will inevitably catch up on them later.

Or prior. Businesses are obviously going to factor in some level of unexpected future costs into prices.

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An example of reacting to market conditions would be if they decide that some increase in production costs need to be absorbed and their profit margin decreased in order to sustain their share of the market.

You are conflating two separate decisions Gandalf. Profit margins will only be decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated. Those total profits will inevitably take into account all costs incurred. Costs also will only be incurred if there is a net benefit. These are two separate decisions based on separate criteria. This BS about allocating one particular cost to the decreased margin is either a childishly naive view on how businesses are run, or deliberate BS spin.

Stupid or mendacious? Mendacious or stupid?

Sometimes a question is just a question.

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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #142 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:51pm

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Profit margins will only be decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated

Say like anticipating more business by entering a previously unavailable market?

Are you now saying there are potential situations when increased production costs won't always necessary translate into higher prices for the consumer?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41932	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #143 - Nov 25^th, 2014 at 11:55pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 12:27am: Still haven't seen any evidence about Australian Halal certification funding Terrorism. Looks like its just the usual Islamophobic bullshit to me. Still waiting to see some...
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #144 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 8:55am Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 11:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 12:27am: Still haven't seen any evidence about Australian Halal certification funding Terrorism. Looks like its just the usual Islamophobic bullshit to me. Still waiting to see some... Who takes FD serious anyway.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #145 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:03am Apparently the authorities have not yet been able to establish what is happening with the money extorted through this halal crap. It would be safer to assume it is being assigned to a criminal or terrorist use and immediately make its collection illegal.
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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #146 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:09am

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Apparently the authorities have not yet been able to establish what is happening with the money extorted through this halal crap.
It would be safer to assume it is being assigned to a criminal or terrorist use and immediately make its collection illegal.

On that basis, I have to assume that any money going to Catholics is going to child abuse, so we should make that illegal.

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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #147 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:11am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Profit margins will only be decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated

Say like anticipating more business by entering a previously unavailable market?

Are you now saying there are potential situations when increased production costs won't always necessary translate into higher prices for the consumer?

Hang on, haven't we had exactly the same discussion here about two or three times already?

I'm curious.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #148 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:53am K all discussions with FD are variations of the same themes... ....over and over and over again
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Reply #149 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 2:50pm

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Apparently the authorities have not yet been able to establish what is happening with the money extorted through this halal crap.

Please point to the announcement of this news or is this just an assumption on your part, like most of the bullshit surrounding this issue? Grin

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It would be safer to assume it is being assigned to a criminal or terrorist use and immediately make its collection illegal.

So much for "innocent until proven guilty". Of course, they are Musselmen so of course they are guilty, right? Grin

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