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Reply #150 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Apparently the authorities have not yet been able to establish what is happening with the money extorted through this halal crap.
It would be safer to assume it is being assigned to a criminal or terrorist use and immediately make its collection illegal.

On that basis, I have to assume that any money going to Catholics is going to child abuse, so we should make that illegal.

Isn't child abuse already illegal? Do you mean we should stop funds going to the Christian Churches and organisations for their failure to prevent it? You have my vote! Grin

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Reply #151 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 4:56pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Apparently the authorities have not yet been able to establish what is happening with the money extorted through this halal crap.
It would be safer to assume it is being assigned to a criminal or terrorist use and immediately make its collection illegal.

On that basis, I have to assume that any money going to Catholics is going to child abuse, so we should make that illegal.

Isn't child abuse already illegal?

Not for the Muselman. Child rape is perfectly legal for them.

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Reply #152 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 7:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 11:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Still haven't seen any evidence about Australian Halal certification funding Terrorism. Looks like its just the usual Islamophobic bullshit to me. Roll Eyes

Still waiting to see some... Roll Eyes

There has been evidence of corruption in Islamic school boards, evidence of terrorism funding by Islamic money transfer companies (Sharrouf's family), world-wide evidence of charities being used, knowingly or unknowingly, as vehicles for money laundering and money transfers.
Governments tread very carefully because even inviting Muslims to be part of the TEAM makes them all resentful and victim-like.

But if there was a, say, Royal Commission into the activities of Islamic organisations, all sorts of schemes would come to light.

Islamic terrorism is funded by Muslims - not Jews, Christians, Hindus etc. Muslims raise money through all sorts of channels, including rackets like halal certification, school funds, charities. Authorities avoid a close look because any scrutiny would fuel the already excessive victim mentality (a very handy tool for avoiding close scrutiny).

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #153 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 8:04pm Quote: Freediver, all I am asking is for a single example that correlates with what you have said, and you have not provided it. And I explained why. You ignored this, and kept demanding, like a parrot.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #154 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 8:33pm freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 8:04pm: And I explained why. You ignored this, and kept demanding, like a parrot. Was this the comment where you said it was common sense, or maybe the one where you yourself said there was no data to support your belief?
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Reply #155 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 8:48pm

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

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Freediver, all I am asking is for a single example that correlates with what you have said, and you have not provided it.

And I explained why. You ignored this, and kept demanding, like a parrot.

How about this one then...

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:38pm:
Profit margins will only be decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated

Say like anticipating more business by entering a previously unavailable market?

Are you now saying there are potential situations when increased production costs won't always necessary translate into higher prices for the consumer?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #156 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 9:56pm polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 2:15pm: f ucking retarded rhetorical questions
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #157 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 9:10am So just so we're clear - there are no situations, ever, when an increased production cost won't result in increased prices for the consumer? - even when profit margins are "decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated"? (hint: this is not a rhetorical question)
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #158 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 9:18am Just as a BTW, as far as I can see Aldi does not have any halal rego on its products. So I guess it won't be a target for the anti-halal warriors .. .lol
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Reply #159 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 9:57am

Just so we're on the same page FD:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:18pm:

For the same reason I probably buy Halal food. Most of these extortionist fees are applied at the abattoir level, which allows them to squeeze the entire industry. There are a small number of abattoirs, compared to say the number of farmers or the number of retail outlets. This affects prices across the entire industry. Even if you buy the non-halal product, the price will be influenced (increased) by this extortion. That's what barriers to trade do.

Would you care to revise this claim of yours, in view of the fact that you are now saying there can be situations in which businesses will allow profit magins to decrease (as would be the case if an extra production cost was not passed on to the consumer)? Would you agree that in such a situation "the price will *NOT* be influenced (increased)" by this extra cost?

And there is a clear logical flaw in your argument FD, which as a noted person who "thinks for himself" I'm sure you will understand: this is not a simple matter of comparing the price on the shelf with the production cost and concluding that because the former is invariably more than the latter, all costs are therefore passed on to the consumer. No, your argument as quoted above is that "the price will be influenced (increased)" by the extra cost to production. And this is easily refuted by your own admission that there can be situations when profit margins will be "decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated". That is the point of contention here: you are attempting to maintain the position that halal certification fees will always result in a higher price for the consumer - at the same time acknowledging the completely contradictory fact that there can be situations in which increased production costs will be absorbed (in the form of decreased profits) if its expected it will result in an eventual increase in profits (such as entering a previously unavailable market). This is in fact the exact argument being used by the industry itself. You call them liars, but in view of the perfectly reasonable basis for such a claim as described above (call it 'thinking for yourself' if you like), and with absolutely no evidence to support your accusation, you don't have a leg to stand on.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #160 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 11:16am

|dev|null wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

Apparently the authorities have not yet been able to establish what is happening with the money extorted through this halal crap.
It would be safer to assume it is being assigned to a criminal or terrorist use and immediately make its collection illegal.

On that basis, I have to assume that any money going to Catholics is going to child abuse, so we should make that illegal.

Isn't child abuse already illegal? Do you mean we should stop funds going to the Christian Churches and organisations for their failure to prevent it? You have my vote! Grin

I was working on the slippery slope argument, that since we don't know apparently where the halal certification funds go, we shouldnt give them any. By the same token, we don't knwo where Catholic charity/funding goes so we shouldnt give them any,

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Reply #161 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 12:24pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 11:16am:

I was working on the slippery slope argument, that since we don't know apparently where the halal certification funds go,

Do the funds go to the Australian federation of Islamic councils?

Was the AFIC named as the group Islamic schools were diverting government funding for schools to?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #162 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 12:35pm Yes Baron, and as FD has already established for us by "thinking for himself", diverting government funding = unquestionably sending funds to terrorists.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18520 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #163 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 12:48pm polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 12:35pm: Yes Baron, and as FD has already established for us by "thinking for himself", diverting government funding = unquestionably sending funds to terrorists. Was the money ever accounted for,where did it go?
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Reply #164 - Nov 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

So just so we're clear - there are no situations, ever, when an increased production cost won't result in increased prices for the consumer? - even when profit margins are "decreased if a benefit in total profits as a result is anticipated"?

(hint: this is not a rhetorical question)

Sometimes a question is just a question.

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