Brian Ross wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 12:04am:


Are you able to explain what is "Extreme" about this?

You of course will bring in something totally irrelevant to the original premise, trying to explain away your bigoted and rampant racist muslim belief system.

Then again I doubt a answer will be forthcoming.

Its the way you are.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:



There is no 'all'. You invented it.  Knowingly, dishonestly.
That's what you do, Brain. You generate rubbish dishonestly, on purpose.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/al-islam-boarding-school-in-indonesia-continue...

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090677.htm

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/07/18/unfinished-jihad-indonesia.html

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:


Who attacked what company.

What gives you the authority to demand people pay the halal tax?

I have complained to companies about this form of extortion myself! The mafia does this sort of thing in Italy, do you agree with that?

Perhaps you can explain why they demand payment for certification when it is not required, or stop spouting about it you racist bigot.

Surah 2. Al-Baqara, Ayah 173


Asad : He has forbidden to you only carrion, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that over which any name other than God's has been invoked; 139  but if one is driven by necessity - neither coveting it nor exceeding his immediate need - no sin shall be upon him: for, behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.


Malik : He has forbidden you to eat dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which any name other than Allah has been invoked; but if someone is compelled by absolute necessity, intending neither to sin nor to transgress, he shall incur no sin. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


Pickthall : He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


Yusuf Ali : He hath only forbidden you dead meat and blood and the flesh of swine and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah but if one is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.  173   174 

: http://www.alim.org/library/quran/ayah/compare/2/173/prohibited-(haram)-food#sthash.GroDBpMP.dpuf

Who are you to argue against this muslim Brian, do you know more about islam than he?

In 2012 Imam Habib Bewley delivered a Khutba (sermon) about the of Halal Certification.

  The first of those is that everything is halal until there is some definite proof that it is haram, as is indicated by Allah’s Words,

http://www.jumuamosquect.com/khutbas/khutba/archive/2012/january/27/article/khutba-on-halal-certification-fiasco.html

It was a good scam while it lasted!

Adamant wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:


Errr, did you actually read the sermon, Adam?  It appears not.  He's actually condemning the mislabelling of pork products as Halal by unscrupulous authorities!  He's correct that unless something is declared Haram, everything is Halal.

However, as usual you're missing the point.  Returning to the purpose of the thread, this is about those extremist Islamophobes who threaten those companies that do seek Halal certification in order to export to those markets which demand it.   It isn't about whether or not Halal certification is required or not.  That is a matter for Muslims to sort out, don't you think?

Of course, as a corollary to that, you might like to consider that as everything is Halal, unless declared Haram, you'd better stop breathing and drinking water, Adam, if you're going to be consistent with your refusal to accept Halal...   

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:


The question is about a terrorist connection to the Indonesian Council of Ulama,

Yes - Indonesian terrorists and foreign fighters are lone-wolf free-lancers. Read the Lateline transcript in your very own link, . They are not tolerated by the Indonesian government, Muslim leaders or the population at large.

Carry on grinning. We know you will.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 10:19am:


Like the things that had not even been discovered but existed?

"GLYCERINE - E422     May be produced from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars.."

"GELATINE       Gelatine is an odourless, tasteless, protein substance like glue or jelly, obtained by boiling the bones, hoofs, and other waste parts of animals."

If you are unsure you could always leave it alone.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 10:19am:


I read today that the original meccan's used to kill animals by biting the jugular, it was not until Mo viewed Jews/Christians slaughtering animals that they started to use a knife. I could just imagine in the six hundreds how clean the dirt floor would be where beasts were killed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 10:19am:


I think totally unreasonable that a "tiny minority" should hold over 20 million people to ransom, don't you Gandalf?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 10:19am:


Why not import it if is that important, from Indonesia for instance (they kill beasts correctly)  it would be a good little money earner, Why don't you do it Gandalf?

The next bits for your pet trolls.

http://www.islamforlife.co.uk/haram%20list.htm