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Reply #225 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:29pm
 
Adamant wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 6:50pm:
I think totally unreasonable that a "tiny minority" should hold over 20 million people to ransom, don't you Gandalf?



How on earth is 20 million people being held to ransom?

Adamant wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 6:50pm:
Why not import it if is that important, from Indonesia for instance (they kill beasts correctly)  it would be a good little money earner, Why don't you do it Gandalf?


This is how sensible your position is Adamant: you would step in to prevent local producers from purchasing halal certification, and deny them higher profit potential. You would then flood the market with imported goods - thus running local businesses further into the ground.

Local companies and producers consider people like you as the ones who are hurting them - not the halal certifiers.
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Reply #226 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 7:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:29pm:
Adamant wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 6:50pm:
I think totally unreasonable that a "tiny minority" should hold over 20 million people to ransom, don't you Gandalf?



How on earth is 20 million people being held to ransom?


The country that you described as "secular" has it's hands around the throat of the small number of abattoirs in this country. It is forcing our beef industry to pay extortionist fees for the privilege of trading with them. These fees go to completely unaccountable Islamic "organisations" that we are expected to trust implicitly, despite the horrendous track record of our highly respected Muslim community leaders and the broader Muslim community in Australia. The Muslims and apologists chant Islamophobe and bigot whenever this is highlighted.
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Reply #227 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 10:48am
 
Who cares?  If the abattoirs want to trade in Muslim markets they must comply with their requirements.  Exactly as when other foreign nations trade in our markets, they must comply with our requirements.   If the abattoirs don't want to trade, they don't need to comply.  You people act as if the Halal certifiers are holding a gun to their head, forcing them to comply, when in reality it is purely voluntary.   Same for all the other companies as well.

Simples really.  If you don't want to comply, then don't and just don't trade in those markets.  Don't blame them markets, that's childish.  I wonder how much time you'd give to say a Chinese company that demanded that it didn't have to comply with our regulations, in our market?

You lot are the biggest bunch of smacking hypocrites I've ever come across.  Your bigotry and Islamophobia justifies anything as long as it's against Muslims.  So much for the belief in a "fair go".  How unAustralian of you lot!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #228 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 11:49am
 
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Simples really.  If you don't want to comply, then don't and just don't trade in those markets.  Don't blame them markets, that's childish.  I wonder how much time you'd give to say a Chinese company that demanded that it didn't have to comply with our regulations, in our market?


Yes, I too tried to explain the basics of capitalism to FD - a completely futile exercise as it turned out.

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Reply #229 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 2:57pm
 
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Who cares?


Many people care. The farmers who are getting ripped off care. The people who become victims of whatever is done with the money care. The people on both sides who pay higher prices for food care. The people trying to push for free trade care (I admit there are very few Muslims among them). The people who want to maintain our sovereignty care. The people who have a spine care. Even Gandalf cares enough about the image of it to try to pass off Indonesia as a secular state. Do you think he cares whether they make a liar of him?

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Exactly as when other foreign nations trade in our markets, they must comply with our requirements.


If we tried the same thing with Muslims, they would start chopping people's heads off.

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Simples really.  If you don't want to comply, then don't and just don't trade in those markets.  Don't blame them markets, that's childish.  I wonder how much time you'd give to say a Chinese company that demanded that it didn't have to comply with our regulations, in our market?


Are you saying our legal requirements are somehow equivalent to the halal rorting scheme?
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Reply #230 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
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Who cares?


Many people care. The farmers who are getting ripped off care. The people who become victims of whatever is done with the money care. The people on both sides who pay higher prices for food care. The people trying to push for free trade care (I admit there are very few Muslims among them). The people who want to maintain our sovereignty care. The people who have a spine care. Even Gandalf cares enough about the image of it to try to pass off Indonesia as a secular state. Do you think he cares whether they make a liar of him?


Then care in your own personal jurisdiction.  If you're a farmer, don't sell your product.  If you're a consumer, don't buy the product.  Its the continual whining and whinging.  The rest of us don't give a flying f.uck, OK?  Take your bat and ball and go home, cry if you want to but stop bothering the rest of the world with your problem with Muslims FD.  Frankly it is repetitive, ignorant and boring as all hell.  You sound like a whiny five year old, not an adult.  Anybody'd think you were a Pom, not an Aussie.  Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Exactly as when other foreign nations trade in our markets, they must comply with our requirements.


If we tried the same thing with Muslims, they would start chopping people's heads off.


All of them?  Nope, no bigotry there at all, now is there FD?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Simples really.  If you don't want to comply, then don't and just don't trade in those markets.  Don't blame them markets, that's childish.  I wonder how much time you'd give to say a Chinese company that demanded that it didn't have to comply with our regulations, in our market?


Are you saying our legal requirements are somehow equivalent to the halal rorting scheme?


From the perspective of a Chinese exporter trying to break into the Australian market?  Bloody oath.  They don't give a fig about the safety of Australians, any more than all too often do they care about the safety and wellbeing of Chinese consumers.  They're just in it to make a buck, naked capitalism at it's worst.  And guess what FD?  That is exactly the sort of attitude you're displaying at the moment about Halal certification.  You see it as an unnecessary impediment.  So the Chinese exporters see all those regulations about packaging, content and labeling for our market unnecessary.  They don't need that stuff in China, so why do the Australians need it?

Muslims feel the need for Halal certification because they want to be assured that the methods, ingredients and cleanliness of the food they eat meats the dietary requirements of their religion.   Who the hell are you to tell them that we won't comply with it, if Australians are going to sell their food to them?   Your arrogance is breathtaking and you can't even see it, which is the real worry.  Your bigotry and Islamophobia has reached new depths FD.  You've become a joke.  The boy who cried wolf too many times.   You've gone from being the canary in the coalmine to the pig dressed up in a clown suit.

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Reply #231 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:25pm
 
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Then care in your own personal jurisdiction.  If you're a farmer, don't sell your product.


Genius.
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Reply #232 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:25pm:
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Then care in your own personal jurisdiction.  If you're a farmer, don't sell your product.


Genius.


Yes.  I am.   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #233 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 8:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
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Who cares?


Many people care. The farmers who are getting ripped off care. The people who become victims of whatever is done with the money care. The people on both sides who pay higher prices for food care. The people trying to push for free trade care (I admit there are very few Muslims among them). The people who want to maintain our sovereignty care. The people who have a spine care. Even Gandalf cares enough about the image of it to try to pass off Indonesia as a secular state. Do you think he cares whether they make a liar of him?

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Exactly as when other foreign nations trade in our markets, they must comply with our requirements.


If we tried the same thing with Muslims, they would start chopping people's heads off.

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Simples really.  If you don't want to comply, then don't and just don't trade in those markets.  Don't blame them markets, that's childish.  I wonder how much time you'd give to say a Chinese company that demanded that it didn't have to comply with our regulations, in our market?


Are you saying our legal requirements are somehow equivalent to the halal rorting scheme?


You heard it here first, leftards. FD’s anti-Halal crusade is all about the Freeeedom of decent white people to have sovereignty and a spine.

Oh, and any Muslims who have to comply to Australian food standards and health laws will try to cut our heads off.

Food for thought, eh?

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