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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #45 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:39am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Why is Australia expected to accommodate sharia law when it comes to food??

They're not - yet Australian business are choosing to certify. Why is that?

Quite often they have no choice, if they want to sell to some foreign countries. It would be like Australia colluding with several other nations and going into China and taxing rice farmers for the privilege of exporting to us, then making all the money disappear without a trace into various local organisations, and expecting the Chinese government to 'trust us'.

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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #46 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:46am

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:39am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Why is Australia expected to accommodate sharia law when it comes to food??

They're not - yet Australian business are choosing to certify. Why is that?

Quite often they have no choice, if they want to sell to some foreign countries. It would be like Australia colluding with several other nations and going into China and taxing rice farmers for the privilege of exporting to us, then making all the money disappear without a trace into various local organisations, and expecting the Chinese government to 'trust us'.

It's not like that at all. The halal-ness of meat is an ideological/religious necessity for some people. A more honest comparison would be an animal welfare organization certification for live exports.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #47 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:49am That would be a good comparison, if not for the extortionist 'fees' and religious discrimination in employment they impose.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #48 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:51am Do you personally boycott halal certified products?
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #49 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:14am Why should we be funding the Islamic community through the food we eat? I thought it was just meat but it appears to be just about anything. This is a scam, pure & simple. But then they appear to be good at scams, such as in the welfare area.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #50 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:15am I don't really pay much attention.
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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #51 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:15am

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1416492250/31#31 date=1416649565]So, your evidence that Australian Halal certification benefits Terrorism is one group, in France that undertakes Halal certification is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (who were, until two years ago, the legal government of Egypt)?quote]

So Brian, you would have us believe no money given to or by muslims in Australia has ever funded terrorism abroad?

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #52 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29am freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:15am: I don't really pay much attention. You'd better check your cupboards. You might be supporting the Terrorists.
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Reply #53 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:39am

I see it more as a political issue. It is a form of trade barrier, as well as workplace discrimination. It's a bit hard to get too wound up about it, as we give these countries more in foreign aid than these halal fees. Given that we keep finding these people ripping off the federal government's funds for private schools, I think we need to take a very close look at both to see where the money ends up. It would be naive not to. We should also make the foreign aid dependent on them not using halal certification as such a blatant money grab. At least with foreign aid we can attach whatever strings we want. With halal certification we have no idea where the money ends up.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #54 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:53am freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:39am: With halal certification we have no idea where the money ends up. I'm assuming based on this statement that you haven't found any evidence they are supporting terrorists then.
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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #55 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:56am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:55pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Why is Australia expected to accommodate sharia law when it comes to food??

They're not - yet Australian business are choosing to certify. Why is that?

Fear.

Nobody ever goes along with Islam for any other reason. It makes no intellectual or emotional sense. Intimidation and the latent threat of violence - Islam.

Islam is violent until it obtains Submission. Everyone know that. Submit, or... er.... that's it. No alternative.

I'd suggest greed is a much greater motivator, Soren. No one is forcing these companies to seek Halal certification. They do so in order to gain access to a lucrative market. Roll Eyes

So the local Muslim market is now so lucrative that everyone must have halal so the few can be satisfied?
Exporting to Muslim countries - certify those shipments. But halal certification for locally sold goods is nothing but a shake-down.

We do not make everything kosher just to satisfy the few Jews to whom it is important. That would be seen as an intolerable imposition. But with halal you are all very accommodating because not going along with halal is 'Islamaophobic' and there is no greater sin than that today.

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Re: Anti-Halal extremists
Reply #56 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm

Soren wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:56am:

So the local Muslim market is now so lucrative that everyone must have halal so the few can be satisfied?
Exporting to Muslim countries - certify those shipments. But halal certification for locally sold goods is nothing but a shake-down.

Steggles chicken is now 100% halal in Australia.

But just to take one example, on their website steggles state that they supply over 200 KFC restaurants in Australia. Yet there are only 4 KFC restaurants that are certified as halal Australia wide. I have posed this question to Soren and co before but never received a response: why would KFC source their product from a halal certified supplier, yet not even sell their product as halal? According to Soren's logic, they apparently make the sacrifice of buying halal chicken because they are intimidated into making the bad business choice of using halal certified products - and yet they don't even sell it as a halal product, thus defeating the whole purpose.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #57 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 1:33pm Perhaps it is something to do with the extortionist fees involved.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18520 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #58 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 2:28pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:51am: Do you personally boycott halal certified products? Yes along with kosher
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #59 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 2:33pm freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 1:33pm: Perhaps it is something to do with the extortionist fees involved. So given the choice, KFC prefers paying extortionist fees do they? Makes sense
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