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Baronvonrort

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Reply #75 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:43pm:

Muslims are only 2% of our population,it's BS to claim there will be a huge market increase by catering for superstitions in a dusty old book from the dark ages.

approximately half a million people aren't a market worth catering to?

2% means that there are more Muslims than ceoliacs, and there is a solid market for gluten free products already.

Halal is a rort, muslims are allowed to eat non halal food if there is nothing else.

The last census puts them around 400,000, lots of children in that figure who buy nothing.

As we saw with the yoghurt there are bigger losses from pissing off the other 98% than there is to be gained from suckholing to the 2%.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #76 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 5:15pm

So you just change your argument. I see how this goes.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

As we saw with the yoghurt there are bigger losses from pissing off the other 98% than there is to be gained from suckholing to the 2%.

Didn't they have to cancel a contract with an airline that was worth fifty grand or something?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

The last census puts them around 400,000

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

to the 2%.

Fix your maths Baron, at least get it right within a single post Grin

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #77 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 5:56pm freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:15am: I don't really pay much attention. Ah.
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Reply #78 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:03pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

As we saw with the yoghurt there are bigger losses from pissing off the other 98% than there is to be gained from suckholing to the 2%.

You just have to marvel at the impeccable logic being applied here: in the absense of any evidence whatsoever, we must conclude that big business opts for halal certification - not because it is profitable for them - but because they are being intimidated into submission by some shadowy muslim conspiracy that no one has been able to identify Cheesy

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #79 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:04pm Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm: muslims are allowed to eat non halal food if there is nothing else. but there is not nothing else - we have halal food.
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Reply #80 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:20pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Halal is a rort, muslims are allowed to eat non halal food if there is nothing else.

So are Jews with Kosher.

However, as Gandalf has pointed out, there is no "nothing else", now is there?

Why are Muslims to be denied a choice? Non-Muslims have plenty of non-Halal products to choose from but Muslims seem to have few Halal ones.

And anyway, most of the Halal certified products are actually intended for export, not domestic consumption. We expect the foods we import to comply with our food packaging laws, why aren't you willing to allow Muslim countries to make similar demands of us, Baron? Roll Eyes

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The last census puts them around 400,000, lots of children in that figure who buy nothing.

As we saw with the yoghurt there are bigger losses from pissing off the other 98% than there is to be gained from suckholing to the 2%.

Of that 98%, how many actually give a flying bugger whether the product they are eating is Halal or not, Baron? Only Islamophobes seem to get their knickers in a twist over the issue. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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Reply #81 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:15am:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1416492250/31#31 date=1416649565]So, your evidence that Australian Halal certification benefits Terrorism is one group, in France that undertakes Halal certification is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (who were, until two years ago, the legal government of Egypt)?quote]

So Brian, you would have us believe no money given to or by muslims in Australia has ever funded terrorism abroad?

No. However, you're essentially claiming ALL monies paid to Muslims, no matter who they are, is used to fund Terrorism. You can't even produce any proof of a link between Australian Halal certification and Terrorism funding, Adamant. As I've pointed out, a link between a FRENCH company and the Muslim Brotherhood (who more than likely aren't a Terrorist organisation outside of Egypt where the military government finds it politically expedient to declare them thus), won't cut it, Adamant.

You will note Brian I have deleted your stupid little face. Shocked

Comprie?

Did you bother to read my first reply? Very much doubt it! so here it is again!!!!!!!!!!

[highlight]Halal certification has long been linked to terror funding along with zakat\remittances.
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Did I mention a country?

Did You? Other than to print a link to an Australian news outlet, mention a country?

Did you deign to read the Australian Governments opinion on terror funding within Australia which I supplied as a link?

Did you know that the Commonwealth bank has been used for Islamic terror funding!

You are one of the most ignorant ostriches I have ever had the misfortune to come across.

I add as an observation, as your site falls into the abyss, posts by your muslim self appear more regularly here.

Is it that "One day all decedent's of pigs and apes will rule the Earth"

Do you want me to provide a few links to the FACT that Australian Muslims Contribute to terrorism.

No of course not, that would put the mocker's on your viewpoint for all time.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41942	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #82 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:55pm Adamant, you're yet to provide any evidence of Halal certification in Australia being linked to Terrorism funding here or overseas. You're a busted flush, lad. All you're doing is showing how bigoted you are.
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Reply #83 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

Of that 98%, how many actually give a flying bugger whether the product they are eating is Halal

You made the claim Prove it Brian!

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

Only Islamophobes seem to get their knickers in a twist over the issue. Funny that.

Funny how you are allowed to make outrageous assumptions based on your muslim belief syndrome.

How about this as a truth.

I do not wish my food to be blessed by a Jew or a Muslim. I do not wish my food to be increased in price because of some despotic religion based on the beheading of non muslims, nor do I accept that a non Government entity has the right to impose a tax on companies (that is extortion).

I want ALL people that believe in Kosher/Halal to pay for ALL the COST of compliance.

What do you reckon muslim Brian.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Anti-Halal extremists Reply #84 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:14pm Adamant wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:10pm: I do not wish my food to be increased in price because of some despotic religion Is that the case? Freediver mentioned it before but didn't show where this was the case.
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Reply #85 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

Adamant, you're yet to provide any evidence of Halal certification in Australia being linked to Terrorism funding here or overseas.

Are you all right Brian?

Are you able to comprehend at the Mo?

I will post it again for you seem you have a problem, if you still have concerns after this I suggest you take a bex.

Adamant wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 21^st, 2014 at 12:04am:

Islamophobia rears it's ugly head.

You have a very simplistic view on life Brian. Your viewpoint appears to be 1984 style, Muslims good, everything else bad.

Halal certification has long been linked to terror funding along with zakat\remittances.

Do you think we should be made to fund terrorism, muslim Brian.

George Christensen uses Vegemite to suggest halal products are funding terrorism and sharia.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-christensen-uses-ve...

And this Brian.

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1416492250/31#31 date=1416649565]So, your evidence that Australian Halal certification benefits Terrorism is one group, in France that undertakes Halal certification is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (who were, until two years ago, the legal government of Egypt)?quote]

So Brian, you would have us believe no money given to or by muslims in Australia has ever funded terrorism abroad?

When are you intending to answer the questions Brian?

Your modus operandi has been found out. Its time to swallow the bitter pill Answer the questions first Brian.

You, should know Brian its rude to answer a question with a question, you the educated academic. :: Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:11pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:49pm:

They even interfere in the local halal certification industry to force certifiers to collude to push prices up.

What data supports this?

It's not "data". It is Australian Muslims themselves making the claim (the ones who got their license stripped from them so that their competitor could have a monopoly and charge extortionist prices). Gandalf likes to pass this off as market forces at work.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399946272/16#16

If you follow the links there are some newspaper articles about it.

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Pure conjecture on your part.

No gandalf it is pretty basic first year economics. I know you like to pass this interference by foreign governments in our economy off as market forces at work, but the reality is that it is extortion and a barrier to trade. This has been explained to you before.

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The Australian Chicken Meat Federation for one disagrees with you:

Read what it says: which are more than compensated for by the additional market that can be serviced. This is assuming a non-open market to begin with. Obviously compared to an open market it is more expensive.

Consequently, neither the Muslim customer buying certified Halal products nor the customer buying product that is not certified Halal is paying any more for chicken meat.

That is bullshit PR spin Gandalf. It does not make sense to charge a company a fee then insist that fee does not get passed on to consumers.

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Then of course there's all the other industries who are tripping over themselves to jump on board halal certification, and who describe it as anything but an extortion

A chocolate manufacturer does not pay the same extortionist fees that an abattoir does.

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2% means that there are more Muslims than ceoliacs, and there is a solid market for gluten free products already.

There is a niche market. Not the whole market.

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You just have to marvel at the impeccable logic being applied here: in the absense of any evidence whatsoever, we must conclude that big business opts for halal certification - not because it is profitable for them - but because they are being intimidated into submission by some shadowy muslim conspiracy that no one has been able to identify

No Gandalf, as you well know it is by foreign governments who demand this then set up little monopolies in Australia to charge extortionist fees then do whatever it is that Muslims do with large sums of ill gotten money.

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Reply #88 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:21pm

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

It's not "data".

So there is no data to support your platform that halal certification pushes price up?

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

If you follow the links there are some newspaper articles about it.

Nothing I found (admittedly I did quickly look through your list of links) seemed to suggest halal was raising prices.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #89 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29pm

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:49pm:

They even interfere in the local halal certification industry to force certifiers to collude to push prices up.

What data supports this?

It's not "data". It is Australian Muslims themselves making the claim (the ones who got their license stripped from them so that their competitor could have a monopoly and charge extortionist prices). Gandalf likes to pass this off as market forces at work.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399946272/16#16

If you follow the links there are some newspaper articles about it.

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Pure conjecture on your part.

No gandalf it is pretty basic first year economics. I know you like to pass this interference by foreign governments in our economy off as market forces at work, but the reality is that it is extortion and a barrier to trade. This has been explained to you before.

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The Australian Chicken Meat Federation for one disagrees with you:

Read what it says: which are more than compensated for by the additional market that can be serviced. This is assuming a non-open market to begin with. Obviously compared to an open market it is more expensive.

Consequently, neither the Muslim customer buying certified Halal products nor the customer buying product that is not certified Halal is paying any more for chicken meat.

That is bullshit PR spin Gandalf. It does not make sense to charge a company a fee then insist that fee does not get passed on to consumers.

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Then of course there's all the other industries who are tripping over themselves to jump on board halal certification, and who describe it as anything but an extortion

A chocolate manufacturer does not pay the same extortionist fees that an abattoir does.

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2% means that there are more Muslims than ceoliacs, and there is a solid market for gluten free products already.

There is a niche market. Not the whole market.

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You just have to marvel at the impeccable logic being applied here: in the absense of any evidence whatsoever, we must conclude that big business opts for halal certification - not because it is profitable for them - but because they are being intimidated into submission by some shadowy muslim conspiracy that no one has been able to identify

No Gandalf, as you well know it is by foreign governments who demand this then set up little monopolies in Australia to charge extortionist fees then do whatever it is that Muslims do with large sums of ill gotten money.

Uh-oh.

The hoof has been exposed.

Truth is now a phobia.

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