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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #30 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 10:39pm
 

"3,000 wanted in Oslo, over whom we have no control, and who commit more crime."


Who, is 'wanted' ???

Who are these people ?

Who is 'this criminal', whose identifying description must not be spoken ?


Norway: The Nordic Paradise Of Criminals And Rapists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlZzEAmiUqc



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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #31 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 8:28am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 3:50pm:
OK folks, hold on to your hats, cause this one is a real doosy. This really is the most hilarious case of extrapolation and leaps of logic.

10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim Immigrants

Or - to put it another way, 100% of all women who have been raped in Norway - raped by muslims. Or, over 500 thousand Norwegian women have been raped by muslims. You see, its the same thing.

So lets look at the totally sound logic that leads to this conclusion:

1. White Resister lays out the case with his article entitled "10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim Invaders, Half Before They were 18". He cites a survey of over 2000 women that finds that 9.4% of them were victims of rape. He doesn't actually cite any evidence himself that suggests 100% of these women were raped by muslim immigrants, but he prefaced the article by linking a Norwegian documentary with the words " 100% of rapes are committed by Muslim immigrants."

2. So we turn now to the video that allegedly proves that 100% of all raped women in Norway were raped by muslim immigrants:
http://www.dailystormer.com/100-of-rapes-in-norway-committed-by-muslim-immigrants/

The evidence is introduced by the show's presenters:
"For the last three years police in Oslo have investigated 41 assault rapes" - and goes on to say that 100% of these have indeed been committed by immigrants.

Hmmmmm....

so... we have a study that shows that 10% of all Norwegian women have been the victim of rape. Some dufus then dug up a completely unrelated report about a particular type of rape  in Oslo (Not even nation-wide) - which relates to a grand-total of 41 rapes over 3 years - and extrapolates the fact that 100% of those rapes were from non-specified "immigrants" - to make the case that 100% of all female rape victims across Norway were raped by muslims.

Now, you'd be forgiven for thinking this sounds all too familiar - because you'd be right, an eerily similar stunt was pulled a few years before: 

Quote:
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital
are non-western immigrants. What is overlooked is the more
relevant factor, that of being a Muslim. If second-generation
Muslims (sons of immigrants) and "unknown" were included,
the positive correlation statistics would be even higher.
While about 80% of rape victims are native Norwegian women,
estimates are that over 80% of rapists are Muslim men.


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/osint/conversations/topics/135631

So, to the actual "evidence" - based on this article:

Quote:
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants
with a non-western background according to a police study. The number
of rape cases is also rising steadily.

The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed
according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last
year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as
Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.Rape charges in the
capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000
and up 13 percent so far this year.Nine out of ten cases do not make
it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the
evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent
crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number
of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear
trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind
the developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are
classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes
up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the
victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of
foreign background.Larsen said that since this was the initial study
examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the
numbers into context. "Meanwhile, it is our general experience that
this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we
need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation," Larsen
said.


- from a sample size of 111 rape cases in which someone was charged
- 9 out of 10 of the charges did not make court due to lack of evidence
- the figure is 65% of unspecified "non westerners" (not 80%)

thus we can conclude that the claim that 80% of all rapes in Oslo are committed by muslims comes from the fact that in one year (year 2000), around 6 rape cases involving non-westerners made it to court.


Gandalf what do you think is a more reasonable estimate?
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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #32 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 9:25am
 
however you play with the stats, muslims are noncompatible with the west
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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #33 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 9:53am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 8:28am:
Gandalf what do you think is a more reasonable estimate?


how about the estimate that says that the claim that 100% of all raped Norwegian women (~10%) were raped by muslims based on a fallacious extrapolation of two completely unrelated sets of data is complete full of crap?

As to the actual figures, well unlike stormfront and Yadda, I have this strange urge to see the actual relevant data before attempting such an estimate.
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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #34 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:17am
 
Here's a few actual figures someone dug up earlier:

freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 8:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 3:50pm:
OK folks, hold on to your hats, cause this one is a real doosy. This really is the most hilarious case of extrapolation and leaps of logic.

10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim Immigrants

Or - to put it another way, 100% of all women who have been raped in Norway - raped by muslims. Or, over 500 thousand Norwegian women have been raped by muslims. You see, its the same thing.

So lets look at the totally sound logic that leads to this conclusion:

1. White Resister lays out the case with his article entitled "10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim Invaders, Half Before They were 18". He cites a survey of over 2000 women that finds that 9.4% of them were victims of rape. He doesn't actually cite any evidence himself that suggests 100% of these women were raped by muslim immigrants, but he prefaced the article by linking a Norwegian documentary with the words " 100% of rapes are committed by Muslim immigrants."

2. So we turn now to the video that allegedly proves that 100% of all raped women in Norway were raped by muslim immigrants:
http://www.dailystormer.com/100-of-rapes-in-norway-committed-by-muslim-immigrants/

The evidence is introduced by the show's presenters:
"For the last three years police in Oslo have investigated 41 assault rapes" - and goes on to say that 100% of these have indeed been committed by immigrants.

Hmmmmm....

so... we have a study that shows that 10% of all Norwegian women have been the victim of rape. Some dufus then dug up a completely unrelated report about a particular type of rape  in Oslo (Not even nation-wide) - which relates to a grand-total of 41 rapes over 3 years - and extrapolates the fact that 100% of those rapes were from non-specified "immigrants" - to make the case that 100% of all female rape victims across Norway were raped by muslims.

Now, you'd be forgiven for thinking this sounds all too familiar - because you'd be right, an eerily similar stunt was pulled a few years before: 

Quote:
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital
are non-western immigrants. What is overlooked is the more
relevant factor, that of being a Muslim. If second-generation
Muslims (sons of immigrants) and "unknown" were included,
the positive correlation statistics would be even higher.
While about 80% of rape victims are native Norwegian women,
estimates are that over 80% of rapists are Muslim men.


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/osint/conversations/topics/135631

So, to the actual "evidence" - based on this article:

Quote:
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants
with a non-western background according to a police study. The number
of rape cases is also rising steadily.

The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed
according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last
year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as
Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.Rape charges in the
capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000
and up 13 percent so far this year.Nine out of ten cases do not make
it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the
evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent
crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number
of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear
trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind
the developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are
classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes
up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the
victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of
foreign background.Larsen said that since this was the initial study
examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the
numbers into context. "Meanwhile, it is our general experience that
this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we
need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation," Larsen
said.


- from a sample size of 111 rape cases in which someone was charged
- 9 out of 10 of the charges did not make court due to lack of evidence
- the figure is 65% of unspecified "non westerners" (not 80%)

thus we can conclude that the claim that 80% of all rapes in Oslo are committed by muslims comes from the fact that in one year (year 2000), around 6 rape cases involving non-westerners made it to court.


Gandalf what do you think is a more reasonable estimate?

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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #35 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am
 
I think you're missing the point here FD - you don't see anything wrong with the title of this thread?

The figures you seem to desperate to draw conclusions about muslims relate to two things:

1. a study that indicates 9.4% of all Norwegian women have been raped (no mention by whom)
2. a police report about the investigation of 41 assault rape cases in Oslo over a three year period - all of whom were committed by non-western immigrants (I'll go out on a limb and suggest that there were many times more total rapes committed in Oslo over the same period).

So what you are asking is for me to make an estimate about muslim rape rates in Norway - based on nothing else but 41 cases of one particular category of rape in just one city (and unquestionably only a tiny fraction of all rapes) in which we don't even know how many of whom were committed by muslims.
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Reply #36 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:00am
 
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a police report about the investigation of 41 assault rape cases in Oslo over a three year period - all of whom were committed by non-western immigrants (I'll go out on a limb and suggest that there were many times more total rapes committed in Oslo over the same period


Are you suggesting that rapes by Muslims are more likely to get reported and convicted? Or are you arguing the figure is higher than 10%

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So what you are asking is for me to make an estimate about muslim rape rates in Norway - based on nothing else but 41 cases of one particular category of rape in just one city (and unquestionably only a tiny fraction of all rapes) in which we don't even know how many of whom were committed by muslims.


I'm sure it's just a tiny minority.
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Reply #37 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:27am
 
Firstly FD, you seem to not understand what this 10% figure relates to - its the total number of women in Norway who have been raped - nothing to do with muslim rapes.

freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:00am:
Are you suggesting that rapes by Muslims are more likely to get reported and convicted?


How could I when there is no evidence about it? No one mentions muslims except stormfront, Yadda - and now it seems you. Certainly the Oslo police report in question does not specify muslims. There is no evidence anywhere in this thread about the rates of reported and convicted rapes committed by muslims. If you have any, by all means share it.
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Reply #38 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 1:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:00am:
I'm sure it's just a tiny minority.


Why?

I don't know how anyone can make any real assertions based on the data that has currently been presented.

Only thing I have been shown is that Yadda is once again telling fibs, or at the very least not checking his sources.
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Reply #39 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:
I think you're missing the point here FD - you don't see anything wrong with the title of this thread?

The figures you seem to desperate to draw conclusions about muslims relate to two things:

1. a study that indicates 9.4% of all Norwegian women have been raped (no mention by whom)
2. a police report about the investigation of 41 assault rape cases in Oslo over a three year period - all of whom were committed by non-western immigrants (I'll go out on a limb and suggest that there were many times more total rapes committed in Oslo over the same period).

So what you are asking is for me to make an estimate about muslim rape rates in Norway - based on nothing else but 41 cases of one particular category of rape in just one city (and unquestionably only a tiny fraction of all rapes) in which we don't even know how many of whom were committed by muslims.


No no, you have another option: blame Islam.

Much easier.
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Reply #40 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:50pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:27am:
Firstly FD, you seem to not understand what this 10% figure relates to - its the total number of women in Norway who have been raped - nothing to do with muslim rapes.

freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:00am:
Are you suggesting that rapes by Muslims are more likely to get reported and convicted?


How could I when there is no evidence about it? No one mentions muslims except stormfront, Yadda - and now it seems you. Certainly the Oslo police report in question does not specify muslims. There is no evidence anywhere in this thread about the rates of reported and convicted rapes committed by muslims. If you have any, by all means share it.


FD has evidence of rapes by "non Western" people.

And we know what he thinks of them.
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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #41 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:51pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 3:08pm:
actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the Norweigns did claim 10% of their women are raped by immigrants,

the Norweigns blame everything that goes wrong on immigrants Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10% of Norwegian women being blatant sexually harassed by Muslim immigrants, rather than the accusation of rape. But then again, in Australia, you can get accused of sexual harassment just by looking in some woman's general direction for a second. So, possibly, it is 10% of Norwegian women being raped/attempted rape by Muslim immigrants.
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Reply #42 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 7:39pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 9:25am:
however you play with the stats, muslims are noncompatible with the west



According to whom?  You?  You've got to be joking, right, Sprint?  Your opinion is tainted by your bigotry.    Roll Eyes
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Re: 10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim I
Reply #43 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 7:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 9:25am:
however you play with the stats, muslims are noncompatible with the west



According to whom?  You?  You've got to be joking, right, Sprint?  Your opinion is tainted by your bigotry.    Roll Eyes

Why? Are YOU any more objective?
Tendentious, dishonest heresy-sniffing fascist that you are.



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Reply #44 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 7:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 9:25am:
however you play with the stats, muslims are noncompatible with the west


According to whom?  You?  You've got to be joking, right, Sprint?  Your opinion is tainted by your bigotry.    Roll Eyes


I have worked around Muslims. Lived around Muslims. And although their numbers are small where I live and work, the greater the number of Muslims and the greater their percentage where they reside, the greater the crime rate.

Announce that you are an atheist in front of them and see how long you last in a peaceful environment.
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